| 16 Nov 2023 |
 Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | Calling it biasness seems like a cope and bluntly, a "skill issue" (sorry, idk of any other non trendy and serious term for this) | 19:29:41 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | there's a difference between a fund for "the future of reliable computing" and a fund for "supporting FOSS-based infrastructure that exists today", and there would probably be different optimal funding recipients for both | 19:29:52 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
there's a difference between a fund for "the future of reliable computing" and a fund for "supporting FOSS-based infrastructure that exists today", and there would probably be different optimal funding recipients for both I think Nix falls into both of these categories personally... | 19:30:25 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I don't think that is so much the case for the latter; most existing infrastructure is not running NixOS and will not run it any time soon | 19:30:46 |
 problems | In reply to@kranzes:matrix.org
Calling it biasness seems like a cope and bluntly, a "skill issue" (sorry, idk of any other non trendy and serious term for this) you are biased in that you understand nix and you understand how it is good. you might not as easily understand the virtues of something equally good or better if it is not like what you already know. | 19:30:50 |
| problems | also, i'll note that none of us afaik have seen the arch proposals and therefore cannot judge them on their merits whatsoever, so any judgement made here is purely bias. | 19:31:55 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | From a nix person perspective the blog read out as "How come my thing that is worse and not that innovative (Ilan's perspective) is not getting as much love and funding as the other person's thing that is actually innovative and not build upon the same ancient traditional Linux concept of package management" | 19:32:20 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
also, i'll note that none of us afaik have seen the arch proposals and therefore cannot judge them on their merits whatsoever, so any judgement made here is purely bias. Yes | 19:32:32 |
| problems | In reply to@kranzes:matrix.org
From a nix person perspective the blog read out as "How come my thing that is worse and not that innovative (Ilan's perspective) is not getting as much love and funding as the other person's thing that is actually innovative and not build upon the same ancient traditional Linux concept of package management" yes, because you're biased to thinking that anything not-nix is not worth your time.q | 19:32:45 |
| problems | * yes, because you're biased to thinking that anything not-nix is not worth your time. | 19:32:46 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I think the tone is not great (and have also told the author as such) but there are legitimate criticisms in there either way, about the (lack of) communication from NGI | 19:32:58 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | * I think the tone is not great (and have also told the author as such) but there are legitimate criticisms in there either way, about the (lack of) communication and explanation from NGI | 19:33:07 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | it's not either/or | 19:33:20 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | But honestly if It is truly innovative and worthy of being funded, I wouldn't be making it part of Arch which is already known (to the funders) as something not that innovative | 19:33:27 |
| problems | i don't care about the tone. the article is well written and brings forward legitimate concerns | 19:33:31 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | I heard a bit from this from Ryan at oceansprint, my thoughts haven't changed that much after reading the blog | 19:34:20 |
| problems | Ilan, i really don't like that you keep straw-manning the arch proposals without having read them. none of us know what they were or why they were rejected, and making stuff up about how you think they're garbage is just rude | 19:34:41 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | It's hard to point the finger and say "look, they have some unspoken connections with the NixOS foundation" when it very much could be just merit-based and that they just think Nix is better. | 19:35:27 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | (sidenote: NGI is EU-funded, and as such it is IMO reasonable-by-default to expect transparency on decisionmaking, even if I don't expect it to be 'objective') | 19:35:34 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
Ilan, i really don't like that you keep straw-manning the arch proposals without having read them. none of us know what they were or why they were rejected, and making stuff up about how you think they're garbage is just rude Criticism acknowledged. | 19:35:56 |
| problems | In reply to@kranzes:matrix.org
It's hard to point the finger and say "look, they have some unspoken connections with the NixOS foundation" when it very much could be just merit-based and that they just think Nix is better. it could be but it could also not be, and the point is to figure out which. | 19:35:57 |
| problems | to presume the answer is idiotic | 19:36:26 |
| problems | sorry, i don't know a better word right now than that | 19:36:44 |
| problems | i don't mean to call you an idiot | 19:37:16 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | As you said, I know and contribute to Nix, so of course I am more likely to assume it's just merit-based because in my opinion nix is solution. | 19:37:30 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
i don't mean to call you an idiot For a moment I did not think that you're calling me that. | 19:38:01 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | * As you said, I know and contribute to Nix, so of course I am more likely to assume it's just merit-based because in my opinion nix is the better technology. | 19:38:19 |
| problems | In reply to@kranzes:matrix.org
As you said, I know and contribute to Nix, so of course I am more likely to assume it's just merit-based because in my opinion nix is the better technology. yep, that's exactly why we have to always take criticism like this seriously, because we are blinded by our biases | 19:38:45 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | Arch vs Nix biasness, let's bring out OpenBSD or Windows as the judge 😆 | 19:39:48 |
| problems | i dunno about openbsd but i would love to see a windows user's face melt off from linux exposure | 19:41:23 |
