| 16 Nov 2023 |
 problems | you try to explain to them what is declarative and what is imperative and they just go "can it play valorant?" | 19:42:19 |
| problems | you explain fervently that valorant would work just great if they didn't have that panoptical, fascistic anticheat but their eyes are already glazed over. then they ask you if you know anything about voicemeeter banana | 19:44:32 |
 Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | That's concerningly on-point | 19:46:52 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | Some of the calculations of how many Nix projects got funding are not exactly accurate I think | 19:53:09 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | Like there's dream2nix and dream2nix-python | 19:53:28 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | They're probably under the same project | 19:53:43 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | It's best to ask @DavHau for confirmation though | 19:54:17 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | How many of those listed are actually tied to each other | 19:56:14 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | For example, | 19:56:50 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | 
Download Screenshot_20231116-195632_Mull.png | 19:56:54 |
 Julien | I don’t think technology bias is a problem for founds that aim to create « next generation internet » or basically focus on innovative technology. It’s fine for them to say « we believe that the functional software deployment model is the future and we want to invest in it ». The tone of the article in a bit like if the author thinks that because it’s public money, nlnet has to balance their money between the different approach to package management, which I don’t think it true. They also imply that unbalanced repartition of the grants constitute a conflict of interest, which I also don’t think is true. The only fair point I think is that if nlnet has a technology bias — which I think is fair to say they have, Michiel himself has told me « we are following Nix since its beginning, Eelco’s thesis happened to land on my desk just after he wrote it » — they should probably publicly disclose it and justify it. | 20:30:24 |
| Julien | * I don’t think technology bias is a problem for founds that aim to create « next generation internet » or basically focus on innovative technology. It’s fine for them to say « we believe that the functional software deployment model is the future and we want to invest in it ». The tone of the article in a bit like if the author thinks that because it’s public money, nlnet has to balance their money between the different approach to package management, which I don’t think is true. They also imply that unbalanced repartition of the grants constitute a conflict of interest, which I also don’t think is true. The only fair point I think is that if nlnet has a technology bias — which I think is fair to say they have, Michiel himself has told me « we are following Nix since its beginning, Eelco’s thesis happened to land on my desk just after he wrote it » — they should probably publicly disclose it and justify it. | 20:31:05 |
| Julien | I would think a bigger reason to worry would be if some nlnet found would start to use a major part of their grant money to found only functional package managers and cease to found other innovative technology in other sectors. But to make strategic decisions of technology to bet on, for each sector, is kinda what they’re paid for | 20:34:09 |
| Julien | Still, I understand that when you’re a arch developer receive « just use nix » as an answer is kinda harsh | 20:35:29 |
 Arian | Also when you acknowledge that the arch wiki is the next NixOS documentation out there x) | 20:36:40 |
| Julien | Which is also strange because when I asked clarifications about certains nlnet decisions I received clear and well argued rationals from nlnet | 20:37:08 |
 raitobezarius | s/found/fund | 20:40:32 |
| raitobezarius | My fellow Frenchie :-) | 20:40:48 |
| Julien | Who are you ? | 20:42:44 |
| Julien | Texting while walking is also not helping | 20:43:07 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | In reply to @julienmalka:matrix.org
Texting while walking is also not helping Have you considered not complicating it by using weird ascii characters? | 20:43:56 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | 🤣 | 20:44:08 |
| Julien | If I chose the easy path I wouldn’t be here | 20:44:51 |
| Julien | I would be an arch linux developer | 20:45:11 |
| Julien | (Sorry joking no offense) | 20:45:25 |
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