| 11 Apr 2024 |
 delroth | otoh there's many e.V. I could name without having to do any research that I'm pretty sure have higher yearly budget than the Stichting NixOS | 11:38:43 |
| delroth | so maybe it's a dutch thing | 11:38:54 |
 Janik (they/them) | In reply to @delroth:delroth.net
otoh there's many e.V. I could name without having to do any research that I'm pretty sure have higher yearly budget than the Stichting NixOS if they are not a non-profit then it's fine. | 11:39:11 |
| delroth | the ones I'm thinking of are | 11:39:25 |
| delroth | and are even registered for tax deductible donations in germany | 11:39:36 |
| delroth | e.g. FSFE | 11:39:40 |
 Arian | The reason we spun it off is because organizing conferences comes with large financial risk (e.g. you need to cancel because a sponsor drops out and suddenly you have a 20k gap in your budget) and the amount that conferences cost to organize was way higher than what we had on the balance of the vereniging. | 11:40:54 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | In reply to @arianvp:matrix.org
I think a Vereniging could potentially be interesting. Where community members can pay to become a member and we rotate the board every year and people can vote for new board members (or in case of gross misconduct vote to fire them). But I think practically speaking it's super hard to operate with members that are not Dutch I would personally recommend against attempting to solve governance problems in an established community by switching to a vereniging; this tends to amplify issues because now people need to figure out novel group consensus procedures and the existing governance tensions | 11:50:48 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | (I do generally prefer group-consensus-based organization over board-led organization, it's just the transition under the circumstances that I think would be unwise) | 11:51:52 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | In reply to @arianvp:matrix.org
it's all complicated. but I just wanted to entertain the thought of being able to formalize some kind of election process for rotating board members from the community; legally speaking. IDK if it's a serious option that can actually be implemented. for what it's worth, I think this is entirely possible under a stichting too | 11:55:09 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | it merely needs to be defined as such in a statute change, to be binding | 11:55:26 |
| delroth | The NixOS DAO™ /s (don't hurt me) | 11:55:52 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | just checked and the filings for the NixOS Foundation contain the statute that makes statute changes possible | 11:57:39 |
| Arian | I don't think a stichting can have other members than the board members. Legally speaking? I thought that was the main difference between a vereniging and a stichting. | 12:02:02 |
| delroth | I think that's right, but that just means that the question is whether the board can (via the statutes) submit themselves to a process that includes external parties | 12:02:56 |
| Arian | Ah gotcha | 12:03:06 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | yeah | 12:03:13 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | specifically, afaik stichtingen are fairly free to define their own selection procedure for board members, as long as there are board members, and so I see no fundamental reason why "a new board member shall be elected every X time from a selection of candidates meeting criteria Y" would not be viable | 12:04:12 |
| Arian | Because a vereniging both defines who is allowed to participate in such elections and what they're electing. That sounds useful to me.
It allows you to define both in your statues. | 12:05:49 |
| delroth | tbf since I believe none of us are experts (or even really initiates :p) in said legal topics, "I see no fundamental reason" doesn't mean much | 12:05:50 |
| Arian | Haha for sure. Big disclaimer. :') | 12:06:09 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | delroth: it's useful observation to the extent that it suggests it may be something worth investigating Properly(tm) :p | 12:06:56 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | ie. involving an actual lawyer | 12:07:00 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | * delroth: it's a useful observation to the extent that it suggests it may be something worth investigating Properly(tm) :p | 12:07:11 |
| delroth | (or a notary, since IIRC they often take care of those things in NL) | 12:07:54 |
| delroth | (I think when we formed our Stichting we had a notary write the statutes with us, but that was 10+ years ago so who knows if I remember it right :) ) | 12:08:25 |
| delroth | (I rechecked and indeed, https://www.hkp-notarissen.nl/ is who we consulted with) | 12:09:24 |
| delroth | FWIW because some people might not have seen that there's discussion ongoing on other media, and since the foundation hasn't replied to the question explicitly yet - so far DetSys's answer to "are you working with Anduril" is "we can't say, we might have an NDA" https://twitter.com/grhmc/status/1778386025007460682 | 13:12:52 |
| delroth | so "we can't say" if the foundation board chair might be in a conflict of interest regarding Anduril | 13:13:11 |
 eyJhb | In reply to @delroth:delroth.net
FWIW because some people might not have seen that there's discussion ongoing on other media, and since the foundation hasn't replied to the question explicitly yet - so far DetSys's answer to "are you working with Anduril" is "we can't say, we might have an NDA" https://twitter.com/grhmc/status/1778386025007460682 Quoting without quoting at all. | 13:19:18 |
