| 6 Mar 2024 |
 raitobezarius | And once you have stable infrastructure environment, plenty of things are possible and easier | 14:03:27 |
| raitobezarius | We don't have maintained and stable infrastructure | 14:03:34 |
| raitobezarius | Paying AWS gets us only so far, but not where we need to be | 14:03:45 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @adam:robins.wtf
self hosting as much as possible would be my preference as well, but unfortunately it does seem more expensive due to needing to pay people I think those are separate questions and problems @ more expensive | 14:04:09 |
| raitobezarius | (this might not be clearly true?) | 14:04:24 |
 @adam:robins.wtf | it does seem like we already struggle to maintain the infrastructure we already have. maybe some funding could help, but when I look at the state of hydra and ofborg I do have concerns about taking on more of our own infra | 14:04:50 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.org
We don't have maintained and stable infrastructure Well I am undermining the excellent work of the current infra team by saying that | 14:04:54 |
 @domenkozar:matrix.org | raitobezarius: with all good intentions I have never seen it play out well | 14:04:56 |
| raitobezarius | We didn't have that | 14:04:57 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
raitobezarius: with all good intentions I have never seen it play out well What project do you think of? | 14:05:11 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | well any I can remember in the past | 14:05:24 |
| raitobezarius | The BSD folks have 2 racks in Théo de Raadt basement and build idk 30k packages over many architectures in their cache? | 14:05:31 |
| raitobezarius | It has been like this for years | 14:05:39 |
| raitobezarius | When Theo goes on holidays | 14:05:47 |
| raitobezarius | His family and friends have the keys to swap the disk in town | 14:05:56 |
| raitobezarius | If any such need occur | 14:06:02 |
| raitobezarius | I can imagine many failure scenarios | 14:06:10 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | raitobezarius: the foundation can't afford to say when 1000 of businesses rely on cache, that Theo went on vacation can family had an emergency | 14:06:23 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | not when there were other options | 14:06:29 |
| raitobezarius | I don't see thousands of businesses giving money for the cache | 14:06:50 |
| raitobezarius | So I am not even sure this is a problem at this point | 14:06:59 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | wait, we're mixing things up now | 14:07:13 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | if they use it, it doesn't mean they donate | 14:07:24 |
| raitobezarius | I think you have an implicit assumption that the community must ensure professionalism to companies | 14:07:39 |
| raitobezarius | Or am I reading this wrong? | 14:07:44 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | companies rely on this infrastructure | 14:08:00 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | if we can't guarantee that, everyone will move to what someone will build and provide business guarantees | 14:08:28 |
| @adam:robins.wtf | do these companies contribute financially to ensure the infra is maintained? | 14:08:30 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | they will and that's what I'm trying to say! | 14:08:38 |
| raitobezarius | That makes sense to me, Domen | 14:08:42 |
