| 7 Mar 2024 |
 edef | like, i've run a startup before, having people who are paid to be on the team and being able to round up some folks and go "look, this is what needs to be done. take care of it" clears a lot of inefficiencies, but that isn't something we can necessarily ask of people right now | 10:47:08 |
| edef | ownership is kind of loose, we don't really have any kind of guarantees on people beyond "best effort, kinda" | 10:48:21 |
| edef | it's kind of hard to load-balance over people if we're already getting all we can from the folks we have and not really getting all we need | 10:49:43 |
| edef | and i think the compounding effects are huge at every level. and if we're doing a better job at building a powerful, reliable OS and packaging stack, and the infrastructure to support it, we probably have a better fundraising story too | 10:54:05 |
| edef | like, when i ran a startup, i built it on Nix because it was better, recruited flokli from the community, sponsored NixCon (and even ran … two? during COVID), etc in no small part because it was just a series of sensible business decisions | 10:57:07 |
| edef | there are hedge funds that use Nix for at least their developer infrastructure, and that's some of the purest productivity-increase-to-dollars-made places | 10:58:49 |
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| Shalok Shalom | In reply to @whentze:matrix.org
I think it's capped at $1500/mo which is nothing compared to a real tech salary but also is a whole lot compared to $0 I guess that depends a lot on the area. I know that is kinda an ethical topic, Indian developers earn around 5k - in one year. | 06:45:26 |
| Shalok Shalom | In reply to @whentze:matrix.org
I think it's capped at $1500/mo which is nothing compared to a real tech salary but also is a whole lot compared to $0 * I guess that depends a lot on the area. Indian developers earn around 5k - in one year.
I know that raises ethical questions for some, and on the other hand, did we decide to take money from arms dealers.
And I can imagine worse than taking money from the arms industry and giving it to Indian developers.
Or Chinese, or Ukrainian, or else. 🙂
| 06:56:59 |
| Shalok Shalom | * I guess that depends a lot on the area. Indian developers earn around 5k - in one year.
I know that raises ethical questions for some, and on the other hand did we decide to take money from an arms dealer.
And I can imagine worse than taking money from the arms industry and giving it to Indian developers.
Or Chinese, or Ukrainian, or else. 🙂
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| @arianvp:matrix.org | In reply to @edef1c:matrix.org
but broadly speaking i am not impressed with how much the (seemingly profitable) ecosystem has contributed towards the Foundation Can i ask why you didn't claim more than 5k? And I generally agree with this sentiment. I was hoping that me fighting for my company to donate 20k would cause more companies to do the same | 07:15:40 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | I think people underestimate how influencial a strongly held opinion is even in a large company. Somebody just needs to have the balls to send in a payment request in the big machine of SAP/Netsuite together with a well-written proposal and people higher up will approve it. Also these amounts you're asking for is peanuts compared to your standard SaaS enterprise contract.
My message is that people should just grow some balls and talk to higher ups and make donations happen! | 07:18:16 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | * Can i ask why you didn't claim more than 5k? And I generally agree with this sentiment. I was hoping that me fighting for my company to donate 10k would cause more companies to do the same | 07:18:35 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | * I think people underestimate how influencial a strongly held opinion is even in a large company. Somebody just needs to have the balls to send in a payment request in the big machine of SAP/Netsuite together with a well-written proposal and people higher up will approve it. Also these amounts you're asking for is peanuts compared to your standard SaaS enterprise contract.
My message is that people should just grow some balls and talk to higher ups and make donations happen!
I wonder if I should write a guide "how to convince your manager to sponsor the nixos foundation" | 07:19:04 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | Would a guide / blog post be useful? | 07:19:24 |
| Shalok Shalom | In reply to @arianvp:matrix.org
I think people underestimate how influencial a strongly held opinion is even in a large company. Somebody just needs to have the balls to send in a payment request in the big machine of SAP/Netsuite together with a well-written proposal and people higher up will approve it. Also these amounts you're asking for is peanuts compared to your standard SaaS enterprise contract.
My message is that people should just grow some balls and talk to higher ups and make donations happen!
I wonder if I should write a guide "how to convince your manager to sponsor the nixos foundation" I guess the wording is important, too. Like, how to make it sound that its an unenviable spending, and not a donation? | 07:19:31 |
| Shalok Shalom | In reply to @arianvp:matrix.org
Would a guide / blog post be useful? I would like that combined with practical examples | 07:19:55 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | Framing it as a donation actually made it easier for me to get it approved funnily enough | 07:20:07 |
| Shalok Shalom | Like, something that has proven to be successful | 07:20:08 |
| Shalok Shalom | In reply to @arianvp:matrix.org
Framing it as a donation actually made it easier for me to get it approved funnily enough I am kinda puzzled about this | 07:20:20 |
| Shalok Shalom | Sounds like a company has not understood the point of capitalism | 07:20:32 |
| Shalok Shalom | And that is rare. | 07:20:36 |
| Shalok Shalom | /claim | 07:20:46 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | Actually it made things harder for the initial approval. It just made my life easier as there was slightly less paperwork to do in the ERP | 07:23:46 |
