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NixOS Binary Cache Self-Hosting

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6 Mar 2024
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius This is a *cache*, something doesn't exist or is corrupted? We rebuild it 14:20:27
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa Intermittent availability loss is meh, but durability loss is yolo 14:20:28
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa
In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.org
This is a *cache*, something doesn't exist or is corrupted? We rebuild it
That process does not yet exist
14:21:14
@whentze:matrix.orgWanja Hentzeit does, it's normal nix14:21:37
@domenkozar:matrix.org@domenkozar:matrix.org raitobezarius: who rebuilts it? none of the users have the infrastructure 14:21:40
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius
In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
That process does not yet exist
Yes but we are in a hypothetical conversation about a new level of requirements for the cache operations
14:21:40
@patka_123:matrix.org@patka_123:matrix.org
In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
patka: that's my point about burnout I was having earlier, I've seen this play out many times in the past and it always ends the same

Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense.

My point about burnout is:

  • One of the reasons people might get burned out is people coming together on an already difficult topic (the discourse thread about GC started a very long time ago and is very long) and put their energy into fixing. Then one week before they presumable start with it someone comes in with "Yo trust me, I think I'll get money" and "weird decisions are being made.
  • Saying things like "that's how the world works" after people voicing their opinions that don't suit yours. It is tiring to have to explain yourself constantly and then just getting this unthoughtful response.

If your objective is "to make Nix succeed, at all cost", I'd implore to consider rethinking some things

If your objective is "

14:22:18
@whentze:matrix.orgWanja Hentzefwiw we run life-critical services on NixOS and we don't really mind if the cache is down14:22:29
@patka_123:matrix.org@patka_123:matrix.org

Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense.
My point about burnout is:

One of the reasons people might get burned out is people coming together on an already difficult topic (the discourse thread about GC started a very long time ago and is very long) and put their energy into fixing. Then one week before they presumable start with it someone comes in with "Yo trust me, I think I'll get money" and "weird decisions are being made.
Saying things like "that's how the world works" after people voicing their opinions that don't suit yours. It is tiring to have to explain yourself constantly and then just getting this unthoughtful response.

If your objective is "to make Nix succeed, at all cost", I'd implore to consider rethinking some things

14:22:45
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius Anyhow, I think this debate is heated up for no real reason 14:22:55
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius I don't understand the requirements you impose @Domen Kožar  14:23:08
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius They don't seem grounded by a real need 14:23:24

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