| 26 May 2021 |
 Gytis Ivaskevicius | 
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 Jonas Chevalier | isn't deno a re-implementation of nodejs? | 10:28:58 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
isn't deno a re-implementation of nodejs? yes, i guess? | 10:29:13 |
 andi- | The good parts about our bash is that it is extensible. You don't have to rebuild the world if you add new features to the build env as you can just pull in some setup hook that is being sourced. | 10:29:20 |
| andi- | We would need at least that with any other language. | 10:29:29 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | it is still based on v8 engine, author is the same as well. It is just minimized by quite a bit | 10:29:37 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | In reply to @andi:kack.it
The good parts about our bash is that it is extensible. You don't have to rebuild the world if you add new features to the build env as you can just pull in some setup hook that is being sourced. how is that different from pretty much any scripting language? you just eval some code | 10:30:22 |
| Jonas Chevalier | the main reason why bash works well is that the program can be composed from a number of "chunks" for each phases | 10:30:41 |
| andi- | Yeah sure but it has to be not painful to implement and having to go back to the stdenv code must be rare. | 10:30:50 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
the main reason why bash works well is that the program can be composed from a number of "chunks" for each phases yeah, but really - basically any shell can do that and then some | 10:31:27 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | I noted im pretty interested in ion shell https://doc.redox-os.org/ion-manual/html/ Maybe it would be cool to try to build some rewrite of mkderivation just for fun :D | 10:32:26 |
| andi- | If we think about changing stdenv we might as well think about using structured attributes everywhere. Does ION support JSON out of the box? | 10:32:31 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | In reply to @andi:kack.it
If we think about changing stdenv we might as well think about using structured attributes everywhere. Does ION support JSON out of the box? i dont think so. Probably nu shell does tho | 10:32:58 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | 
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| Gytis Ivaskevicius | 👀 | 10:33:19 |
| Jonas Chevalier | it's not a middle finger :) | 10:33:34 |
| andi- | Jonas Chevalier: you might have run into the same issue as I did :D | 10:33:37 |
| Jonas Chevalier | it's supposed to be an index | 10:33:41 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | In reply to @andi:kack.it
If we think about changing stdenv we might as well think about using structured attributes everywhere. Does ION support JSON out of the box? on other hand ion shell is quite new - i bet PR with partial jq would be welcome :D | 10:34:08 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | I started playing around with their codebase, fixed autocompletion (partially) | 10:34:30 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | Really want to get it to shape | 10:34:42 |
| andi- | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
it's supposed to be an index Googling that icon shows middle finger :P | 10:34:47 |
| Jonas Chevalier | oops, my bad | 10:35:12 |
| Jonas Chevalier | ahem :) | 10:35:35 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | Do you guys think that it would be worth replacing bash within few years timeline? 🤔 | 10:36:03 |
| andi- | If it provides benefits over just not being bash :D | 10:36:21 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | (And honestly i'd love to see some linux disto that is like "fuck posix, and other old standards") | 10:36:51 |
| andi- | If I can write more nix code instead of bash for complex builds. stdenv.doBuild { steps = [ (mkDir "foo") (chDir "foo") (invoke "make") ]; } | 10:37:01 |
| Jonas Chevalier | at the moment we don't have much visibility on how much bash is an overhead to build times | 10:37:02 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | In reply to @andi:kack.it
If it provides benefits over just not being bash :D How much value are we talking about? | 10:37:07 |
