| 7 May 2026 |
 siraben | similar to how minimal-bootstrap used to do that before the switchover | 16:22:28 |
 K900 | We could, and then it'll bitrot immediately\ | 16:22:39 |
| K900 | * We could, and then it'll bitrot immediately | 16:22:40 |
| K900 | Just like minimal-bootstrap did | 16:22:49 |
| siraben | i see | 16:22:55 |
| K900 | Like, if you really want to do it, I can't stop you | 16:23:08 |
| siraben | i'll just wait to see what comes out of the slop machine and keep or discard | 16:23:30 |
| K900 | But long term I don't think it's worth doing for nixpkgs unless we can have reasonable confidence that the bootstrap will not take months | 16:23:34 |
| siraben | 
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| K900 | We are already way slower than where we'd like to be | 16:23:55 |
| K900 | For end to end world rebuilds | 16:24:02 |
| siraben | what areas need most attention that people don't want to really touch? | 16:24:21 |
| K900 | Those areas are also areas where I'd like to see the least LLM use | 16:24:50 |
| siraben | yeah of course, im limiting it to very routine things atm that would take hours to measure and configure | 16:26:26 |
| siraben | Ok I can see why people don't want rustc bootstrap lol | 23:08:24 |
| siraben | it's taking forever to build, finally on the last release | 23:08:31 |
| 8 May 2026 |
|  jopejoe1 changed their display name from jopejoe1 (4094@epvpn) to jopejoe1. | 08:42:36 |
| siraben | openjdk 17 bootstrap via iced-tea works | 15:06:59 |
 dish [Fox/It/She] | In reply to @siraben:matrix.org
openjdk 17 bootstrap via iced-tea works I've discussed this with jdk maintainers and they're not currently interested in dealing with full source bootstrap atm since they have not enough maintainers for many things, they're currently working on cleaning up a lot of the java ecosystem atm | 18:57:35 |
| dish [Fox/It/She] | discussion in #jvm:nixos.org | 18:57:47 |
| 9 May 2026 |
 Randy Eckenrode | Sadly, Swift is having to give up the source bootstrap. 😕 | 10:54:33 |
| 10 May 2026 |
|  w4tsn changed their profile picture. | 12:08:24 |
| 12 May 2026 |
| siraben | Is trofi on matrix? | 00:39:18 |
| siraben | found them on irc | 00:39:28 |
| 13 May 2026 |
| siraben | prs like https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/519568 are nice but I've been working on the mescc tools recently and they seem like they still need a lot of improvement, they are prone to segfaulting if not used correctly | 20:58:29 |
| siraben | e.g. https://github.com/oriansj/mescc-tools/pull/52 | 20:58:31 |
| siraben | is this a problem given that we use kaem/catm etc. in minimal bootstrap? | 20:58:49 |
| siraben | we can ask mescc-tools to cut a new release | 21:02:28 |
| dish [Fox/It/She] | In reply to @siraben:matrix.org
is this a problem given that we use kaem/catm etc. in minimal bootstrap? not really, the idea is we use early-stage tools for as little as possible before getting to stuff like coreutils | 21:36:47 |
| dish [Fox/It/She] | if there are issues with our usage we should patch the tools or fix our usage but ideally we use them as little as possible | 21:37:13 |
