| 9 Nov 2022 |
 @uep:matrix.org | and from there straght to importing pool | 06:19:29 |
 @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | yea, I think there's a bit of overhead in booting with systemd stage 1; I don't think we've really identified what it is | 06:20:00 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | the udev settle thing confused me, but then I remembered zfs pulls that in | 06:20:10 |
| @uep:matrix.org | bunch of things in between, usb devices showing up, some errors about unknown groups (presumably in udev rules) | 06:20:55 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | the groups are also an unfortunate but harmless thing | 06:21:20 |
| @uep:matrix.org | Nov 09 17:06:10 localhost systemd-udevd[170]: /nix/store/ns2xfliy6d70i7w8k3m4wwj8z0nrjm4n-systemd-stage-1-251.5/lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules:102 Unknown group 'kvm', ignoring
Nov 09 17:06:10 localhost systemd-udevd[170]: /nix/store/ns2xfliy6d70i7w8k3m4wwj8z0nrjm4n-systemd-stage-1-251.5/lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules:104 Unknown group 'kvm', ignoring
Nov 09 17:06:10 localhost systemd-udevd[170]: /nix/store/ns2xfliy6d70i7w8k3m4wwj8z0nrjm4n-systemd-stage-1-251.5/lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules:106 Unknown group 'kvm', ignoring
Nov 09 17:06:10 localhost systemd[1]: Finished Coldplug All udev Devices.
Nov 09 17:06:10 localhost kernel: audit: type=1130 audit(1667973970.699:4): pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=kernel msg='unit=systemd-udev-trigger comm="systemd" exe="/nix/store/ns2xfliy6d70i7w8k3m4wwj8z0nrjm4n-systemd-stage-1-251.5/lib/systemd/systemd" hos>
Nov 09 17:06:10 localhost audit[1]: SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=kernel msg='unit=systemd-udev-trigger comm="systemd" exe="/nix/store/ns2xfliy6d70i7w8k3m4wwj8z0nrjm4n-systemd-stage-1-251.5/lib/systemd/systemd" hostname=? addr=? terminal=? >
Nov 09 17:06:10 localhost systemd[1]: Starting Wait for udev To Complete Device Initialization...
| 06:21:38 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | uep: Yea, it's all good. As expected | 06:21:57 |
| @uep:matrix.org | 15s between the start and stop. More than it seemed like at the time tbh | 06:22:10 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | oh seriously? wtf | 06:22:20 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | that's a really long time | 06:22:23 |
| @uep:matrix.org | mostly usb and nvme probing from the kernel. | 06:23:06 |
| @uep:matrix.org | and then 9s of nothing before the "finished" above | 06:23:51 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | On my system there's only 3s between Starting Wait for udev To Complete Device Initialization and Finished Wait for udev To Complete Device Initialization | 06:23:57 |
| @uep:matrix.org | Nov 09 17:06:16 localhost kernel: logitech-hidpp-device 0003:046D:4082.0007: input,hidraw4: USB HID v1.11 Keyboard [Logitech MX Master 3] on usb-0000:05:00.3-2.4/input2:2
Nov 09 17:06:25 localhost systemd[1]: Finished Wait for udev To Complete Device Initialization.
| 06:24:39 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | geez, that's unfortunate | 06:24:50 |
| @uep:matrix.org | I'll try another box or too as well.. | 06:25:40 |
| @uep:matrix.org | but mostly NBD since it stops and waits for a passwd anyway | 06:25:52 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | yea it'd be really nice to have better udev support from zfs | 06:26:13 |
| @uep:matrix.org | nothing zfs (that I can spot in the logs at least) happens before then, other than the modules getting loaded | 06:30:31 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | right, that's the problem :) | 06:30:43 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | ZFS doesn't know how to know when a pool is ready to import | 06:30:51 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | so it just waits for all udev stuff to be done | 06:30:58 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | even though that's way more than necessary | 06:31:05 |
| @uep:matrix.org | oh right | 06:31:06 |
| @uep:matrix.org | yeh, fair | 06:31:14 |
| @uep:matrix.org | though at this point you don't really know what pools / devices you're waiting for, you could have an event that fires when all the device members of a pool have appeared by looking at the labels, but you don't actually want to import them anyway | 06:33:11 |
| @uep:matrix.org | (they might be busy on another system with multi-attach, among other wrinkles) | 06:33:34 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | Yea that's sort of the direction a fix would go in | 06:33:34 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | just create some virtual info that tracks what pools have been noticed on devices, along with how import-able it is | 06:34:04 |
| @uep:matrix.org | to know which you might want to import, you'd need to basically parse or bundle in the cache file into the initrd. | 06:34:09 |
