| 18 Jun 2021 |
 dotlambda | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
i does not seem to find/install dependencies on first start? I doubt it. I would rather want to see the missing part of the logs. Why would you use `joirnalctl -f` for that? 🙈 | 10:20:16 |
| dotlambda | * I doubt it. I would rather want to see the missing part of the logs. Why would you use `journalctl -f` for that? 🙈 | 10:20:52 |
 @hexa:lossy.network | log starts with
Sep 21 22:24:54 testing systemd[1]: Started Home assistant.
| 10:21:03 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | so yeah, maybe something is amis | 10:21:09 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/70615?project=5&string=home-assistant | 10:21:23 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | crashes on start because of a scapy patch that doesn't work anymore | 10:21:33 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | so yeah, maybe they're using pip, but it's not working great for them | 10:21:52 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | https://repology.org/project/home-assistant/versions | 10:22:40 |
| dotlambda | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
https://repology.org/project/home-assistant/versions We should really show that to frenck 😂 | 10:23:30 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | maybe he is afraid because we are the only distro package that would possibly receive any usage? | 10:23:59 |
| dotlambda | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
so yeah, maybe they're using pip, but it's not working great for them It never works great unless in a virtualenv. I also remember breaking my Arch Linux so often cause I forgot I should never use `sudo pip install`. | 10:24:53 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | I broke my arch often because I sudo pacman -S firefox | 10:25:41 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | and that results in partial upgrades 🙈 | 10:25:56 |
| dotlambda | Oh I feel you. I recently told someone: just do `pacman -Syu`. Now their `yay` and probably everything else installed through AUR is broken and can't be upgraded. | 10:27:05 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | rip | 10:28:05 |
| dotlambda | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
maybe he is afraid because we are the only distro package that would possibly receive any usage? I would still think Arch Linux's home-assistant has more users, but I'm very surprised it's not just in the AUR | 10:29:13 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | it was, I found links to aur, but apparently got promoted to community | 10:29:42 |
| dotlambda | Should we add comments to the expressions for packages by frenck saying they are not endorsed by upstream? | 11:00:07 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | how would endusers notice? :P | 11:00:40 |
 CRTified | Issue a warning 🙈 | 11:00:51 |
| dotlambda | They wouldn't. It might just please frenck | 11:00:54 |
| dotlambda | In reply to @schnecfk:ruhr-uni-bochum.de
Issue a warning 🙈 That would make hydra fail I think. | 11:01:23 |
| CRTified | In reply to @robert:funklause.de
That would make hydra fail I think. Okay, that might be a problem | 11:02:21 |
| CRTified | Doestrace cause hydra to fail, too? | 11:03:01 |
|  instantepiphany joined the room. | 12:44:51 |
| instantepiphany | Reading through the recent controversy, and with HA moving to a more stateful architecture, I'm interested in an alternative. A couple people here have mentioned possibly creating one. I just started setting up HA today on NixOS, but am considering rolling my own system. Might be worth combining efforts and making something that is 100% declarative. Is anyone else interested? I don't have a side project at the moment... | 12:47:38 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | Hah, lol. I have too many, sadly. | 12:54:17 |
| CRTified | The least I could do is testing the software 😛 I'd love to have an alternative available, but the common alternatives either don't match a declarative scheme (e.g. iobroker uses a webUI for configuration AFAIK, resulting in similar problems as HA without YAML has) or are somewhat arcane (FHEM) | 12:56:09 |
 Linux Hackerman | I'd love to leech that work, but yeah too many side projects to contribute to it actively here too 🙃 | 12:57:03 |
| instantepiphany | Testing is super helpful!
Something I have wondered recently is whether there is something stopping a declarative system being configurable by some kind of UI - as long as the UI accurately represents the current configuration, saving a change would just save a valid configuration, no? Maybe this is a "have your cake and eat it too" situation, but while I'm comfortable sshing into make a significant change, some simpler things are nice to adjust from a more user friendly interface. | 12:59:22 |
