| 23 Jun 2022 |
 dantefromhell | I was reading on github a bit about bootstrapping w/ colmena and the general answer was "no - because it requires state tracking".
I was pondering if the approach to introduce a `colmena bootstrap` action to isolate bootstrapping from applying would remove the need for tracking state? | 12:23:35 |
 CRTified | In reply to @dantefromhell:matrix.org
I was reading on github a bit about bootstrapping w/ colmena and the general answer was "no - because it requires state tracking".
I was pondering if the approach to introduce a `colmena bootstrap` action to isolate bootstrapping from applying would remove the need for tracking state? I'm not really helpful here, but just for clarification: Are you referring to these PRs? https://github.com/zhaofengli/colmena/issues/42 and https://github.com/zhaofengli/colmena/issues/68 | 12:52:24 |
| CRTified | In reply to @dantefromhell:matrix.org
I was reading on github a bit about bootstrapping w/ colmena and the general answer was "no - because it requires state tracking".
I was pondering if the approach to introduce a `colmena bootstrap` action to isolate bootstrapping from applying would remove the need for tracking state? * I'm not really helpful here, but just for clarification: Are you referring to these Issues? https://github.com/zhaofengli/colmena/issues/42 and https://github.com/zhaofengli/colmena/issues/68 | 12:52:33 |
 @blaggacao:matrix.org | Note that provisioning and bootstrapping are two separate concerns. | 14:23:34 |
| @blaggacao:matrix.org | Bootstrapping doesn't require tracking state. It only requires a static contract of the (yet) anonymous node. | 14:24:16 |
| @blaggacao:matrix.org | * Bootstrapping doesn't require tracking state. It only requires a stable contract of the (yet) anonymous node. | 14:24:30 |
| @blaggacao:matrix.org | How to reach it? And does it comply to any sort of colmena-nixos interface? | 14:25:43 |
 lemmalamma | In reply to @schnecfk:ruhr-uni-bochum.de
I'm not really helpful here, but just for clarification: Are you referring to these Issues? https://github.com/zhaofengli/colmena/issues/42 and https://github.com/zhaofengli/colmena/issues/68 I've also successfully used Pulumi instead of Terraform for provisioning and Colmena takes over after that. I still dream of a world where I can do both with Nix. | 18:34:34 |
| lemmalamma | In reply to @dantefromhell:matrix.org
I was reading on github a bit about bootstrapping w/ colmena and the general answer was "no - because it requires state tracking".
I was pondering if the approach to introduce a `colmena bootstrap` action to isolate bootstrapping from applying would remove the need for tracking state? By bootstrap do you mean provisioning? Apparently some people think it doesn't not necessarily require state: https://www.bejarano.io/terraform-stateless/ | 18:38:13 |
| lemmalamma | In reply to @dantefromhell:matrix.org
I was reading on github a bit about bootstrapping w/ colmena and the general answer was "no - because it requires state tracking".
I was pondering if the approach to introduce a `colmena bootstrap` action to isolate bootstrapping from applying would remove the need for tracking state? * By bootstrap do you mean provisioning? Apparently some people think it does not necessarily require state: https://www.bejarano.io/terraform-stateless/ | 18:38:57 |
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| 24 Jun 2022 |
| dantefromhell | In reply to @schnecfk:ruhr-uni-bochum.de
I'm not really helpful here, but just for clarification: Are you referring to these Issues? https://github.com/zhaofengli/colmena/issues/42 and https://github.com/zhaofengli/colmena/issues/68 thx for clarification: Yes.
In particular #68 but #42 includes some hints towards bootstrapping/ first OS install. | 02:10:10 |
| dantefromhell | I am not looking to automate provisioning of cloud resources (aka their creation) with colmena but the first OS installation (bootstrapping) of cloud and physical servers. | 02:11:17 |
| lemmalamma | Redacted or Malformed Event | 02:33:58 |
| lemmalamma | In reply to @dantefromhell:matrix.org
thx for clarification: Yes.
In particular #68 but #42 includes some hints towards bootstrapping/ first OS install. I had no idea people use Nix for this. I used to do PXE boot. But now most IaaS bundle those 2 things together. For example, you ask for (provision) an EC2 instance running an AMI image (bootstrap). Is your use case like a local bare metal setup? | 02:38:38 |
 hexa | hm, when I set up wireguard tunnels through networkd and I store secrets in /run/keys, with colmena I have a wireguard-privatekey-key.service unit | 10:46:21 |
| hexa | how do I tie that into networkd while making sure that networkd does in fact setup the WAN networking so I can provide those keys | 10:46:48 |
| hexa | with morph I had an action to restart networkd post upload | 10:49:35 |
| hexa | and let networkd fail on bootup | 10:49:45 |
| hexa | with a networkd-restart.service that waits for wireguard-privatekeys-keys.service? 😄 | 11:04:39 |
 @linus:schreibt.jetzt | hexa: set postStart on the key unit, to run networkctl reconfigure $if? | 11:04:52 |
| @linus:schreibt.jetzt | Not sure a restart is even needed? | 11:04:59 |
| hexa | oh yeah, that sounds neat | 11:05:11 |
| @linus:schreibt.jetzt | Or yeah a separate service could be cleaner. | 11:05:18 |
| hexa | I can't really be arsed to enumerate the repositories | 11:05:22 |
| hexa | * I can't really be arsed to enumerate the interfaces | 11:05:30 |
| @linus:schreibt.jetzt | Just reconfigure then :D | 11:05:44 |
| hexa | well, now it feels obvious 😄 | 11:08:14 |
| hexa | I think I was stuck in my head somewhere | 11:08:21 |
| @linus:schreibt.jetzt | Happens :D | 11:09:32 |
