| 3 Nov 2021 |
 GallantChef | If two groups are pushing against one another, are they not divided? | 19:09:51 |
 ryblade | am i supposed to wear my fingers to dust writing an essay on what specifically i mean by an authoritarian? | 19:10:37 |
| GallantChef | I just want to know what the objective truth is here | 19:10:43 |
| GallantChef | Maybe my perception is flawed | 19:10:50 |
| GallantChef | But others seem to agree with my view | 19:10:56 |
 infinisil | ryblade: You're being very flamey, can you please not? I'm just stating my opinion | 19:11:35 |
| ryblade | could you please then be more clear about what you want from me? i'm feeling rather frustrated atm. | 19:12:26 |
| infinisil | I want to have a respectful discussion | 19:12:43 |
 jonringer | ryblade: I would really like this discussion to be for the betterment of the nixos ecosystem. Picking apart diction choice isn't really helping move toward a satisfactory resolution | 19:12:55 |
| ryblade | as do i | 19:12:59 |
| GallantChef | Shall we digress and focus on the implementation of the CoC then? | 19:13:18 |
| jonringer | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
Shall we digress and focus on the implementation of the CoC then? sure. I'm drafting the RFC now, but I'm going to be basing it upon the rust CoC. | 19:13:47 |
| jonringer | if anyone has any objections to the language of https://www.rust-lang.org/policies/code-of-conduct let me know | 19:14:01 |
| GallantChef | It's quite succinct, and I struggle to find anything to complain about | 19:14:38 |
| infinisil | ryblade: I guess I wasn't clear that this isn't really a big concern for me, I personally think labels are overrated, but honestly they do probably have some fair uses, and this might be one of them. I'm not offended at all, I just wanted to tell you about this opinion of mine :) Does that sound fair to you? | 19:15:03 |
| GallantChef | jonringer, I guess one thing that concerns me is in the moderation section "hateful, hurtful, oppressive, or exclusionary remarks" | 19:17:14 |
| GallantChef | I feel like that's kind of nebulous, and can be interpreted in convenient manners | 19:17:24 |
| jonringer | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
jonringer, I guess one thing that concerns me is in the moderation section "hateful, hurtful, oppressive, or exclusionary remarks" none of that should exist if the majority of discussion is technical | 19:17:36 |
| GallantChef | Just like that one person took something as sexist, even though it wasn't | 19:17:40 |
| GallantChef | Agreed | 19:17:41 |
| GallantChef | Could make that value point | 19:17:48 |
| ryblade | In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
ryblade: I guess I wasn't clear that this isn't really a big concern for me, I personally think labels are overrated, but honestly they do probably have some fair uses, and this might be one of them. I'm not offended at all, I just wanted to tell you about this opinion of mine :) Does that sound fair to you? very much, and thank you. much appreciated. | 19:17:49 |
| GallantChef | * Could make that a value point | 19:17:51 |
| GallantChef | Does anyone have any objections to advocating for a focus on technically discussion? | 19:18:40 |
| GallantChef | * Does anyone have any objections to advocating for a focus on technical discussion? | 19:18:46 |
| GallantChef | I also think polarization in general should be discouraged | 19:19:09 |
| GallantChef | i.e; people trying to bring politics into an apolitical space | 19:19:19 |
| ryblade | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
jonringer, I guess one thing that concerns me is in the moderation section "hateful, hurtful, oppressive, or exclusionary remarks" was just about to say something about this, too. hard disagree on this being in there. what constitutes such behaviour is EXTREMELY SUBJECTIVE. not only that, but moderating that behaviour is ridiculous on any platform that allows the offended party to block the source of offense. fringe cases, such as mobbing or sock puppetry, would definitely require the intervention of a moderator, but if it's one person who is offending you, it should be YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to block them. | 19:20:15 |
| GallantChef | Feels good to be in good company | 19:20:35 |
| ryblade | worst of all, moderating "offense" places an easily abusable the power in the hands of the offended | 19:21:15 |
