| 3 Nov 2021 |
 @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | Explicitly, I think the fear that me and ryblade share is of authoritarians. | 18:55:25 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | We could say that instead of "them" | 18:55:34 |
 @jonringer:matrix.org | Agreed, first priority should be nixos. It's a technical community, it should be about technology first. Political or cultural support groups are better found elsewher | 18:55:41 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | * Agreed, first priority should be nixos. It's a technical community, it should be about technology first. Political or cultural support groups are better found elsewhere | 18:55:45 |
 @ryblade:matrix.org | { them = [ authoritarians ] } | 18:56:12 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | If people feel like they can't participate with nixos, then obviously that's an issue which effects nixos, regardless of the nature in which they feel denied. | 18:56:22 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | So regarding values. Instead of telling people how to behave or what to do, we can assure them that their freedom to do certain things is protected, and their freedom to do other things which may possibly harm others is not protected | 18:57:13 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | Example, one is free to focus on and work on Nix no matter what | 18:57:27 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | One is not free to incite conflict which is unrelated to Nix in Nix-adjacent spaces | 18:57:38 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | Further to that, interactions should be focused on work and common interests and not things that are sure to cause enmity/antipathy | 18:59:37 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | The "everything is political" folks try to push that everywhere, and I'm 100% confident that it's a terrible idea to enable that | 18:59:56 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
I'd appreciate if we aren't labeling people as "them". We won't find a resolution on any issue if it's "us" against "them". What we need is to better understand where everybody is coming from, what their arguments and experiences are, to find out where the differences lie and to find a good compromise while i fundamentally agree (rule 10 and all), them is less characters to type. as a person with RSI, it's not very accommodating to have to type "authoritarian" in full every single time if context has already been previously established. | 19:00:35 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | That's a shortcut to authoritarianism, which I feel the CoC should do its best to safeguard against | 19:00:37 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | To be fair, we have firmly established an antecedent for that pronoun | 19:01:09 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | If only we had pinned messages | 19:01:24 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | * To be fair, we have firmly established an antecedent for that pronoun/demonstrative/whatever | 19:01:42 |
 @infinisil:matrix.org | ryblade: I'd rather we don't use labels like these, they aren't very representative of the individuals that are grouped under it. Some people might agree with some views of label "foo", but don't with others. Some people might be 50% "foo" but not more. Some people might be "foo" but have had experiences that would convince anybody to be "foo" | 19:02:03 |
