| 7 Oct 2024 |
 emily | yeah I mean it's not like we can just back out breaking changes that are currently queued | 15:56:27 |
 Randy Eckenrode | Compared to the LLVM upgrade last year, there’s maybe a quarter of packages needing fixed (and some of those are things I’m proactively updating that don’t strictly need it, but seeing how Qt got cleaned up is a good example for Linux maintainers of what the change can do for them). | 15:57:05 |
| emily | hopefully we can just get it merged in the next couple days, anyway. | 15:57:08 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Yeah. That will make render this conversation moot. | 15:57:25 |
| Randy Eckenrode | * Yeah. That will render this conversation moot. | 15:57:31 |
| Randy Eckenrode | (I expect to find some breaking on staging-next, but my testing went so smoothly compared to the LLVM upgrade that I’m not expecting much.) | 15:57:55 |
| Randy Eckenrode | * (I expect to find some breakage on staging-next, but my testing went so smoothly compared to the LLVM upgrade that I’m not expecting much.) | 15:58:15 |
| 8 Oct 2024 |
| emily | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/339153 seems wrong. it implies that breaking changes are never forbidden on master | 07:03:25 |
| emily | compared to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/303285 | 07:03:32 |
| emily | also, I didn't realize that the Oct 11 deadline was only to compilers and systemd. | 07:04:33 |
| emily | that means that Randy Eckenrode technically has until Oct 25 anyway, since the only GCC change isn't breaking… | 07:05:04 |
| Randy Eckenrode | The Darwin stuff seems in the spirit of a compiler. Anyway, I hope it doesn’t take to the 25th because I’m unlike to be available after the 18th. | 11:59:35 |
 Tristan Ross | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/339153 seems wrong. it implies that breaking changes are never forbidden on master How does it seem wrong? I copied from the release wiki. | 13:52:21 |
 Lily Foster | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/339153 seems wrong. it implies that breaking changes are never forbidden on master pretty sure the intent is to restrict at the same time as staging is, as was done in 24.05 https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/303285. though admittedly release wiki nor rfc85 ever included that | 14:11:28 |
| emily | it implies that breaking changes are only forbidden on staging branches | 14:11:53 |
| emily | which the 24.05 issue differed on | 14:12:09 |
| emily | In reply to @lily:lily.flowers
pretty sure the intent is to restrict at the same time as staging is, as was done in 24.05 https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/303285. though admittedly release wiki nor rfc85 ever included that so it's a chronic problem, ok 🫠 | 14:12:32 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Given the Darwin stuff can’t go to master, what the policy is for master doesn’t pertinent. My only concern is getting the Darwin stuff into 24.11. | 14:14:35 |
| Randy Eckenrode | * Given the Darwin stuff can’t go to master, what the policy is for master doesn’t seem pertinent. My only concern is getting the Darwin stuff into 24.11. | 14:14:46 |
| Lily Foster | looke like @hexa first started to change it in 22.11 https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/193585 but it was not included in the post-release fixup https://github.com/NixOS/release-wiki/pull/60 | 14:15:39 |
| emily | In reply to @reckenrode:matrix.org
Given the Darwin stuff can’t go to master, what the policy is for master doesn’t seem pertinent. My only concern is getting the Darwin stuff into 24.11. I cared about master for my own stuff | 14:43:56 |
| emily | which is why the schedule confused me | 14:44:18 |
| Tristan Ross | In reply to @reckenrode:matrix.org
Given the Darwin stuff can’t go to master, what the policy is for master doesn’t seem pertinent. My only concern is getting the Darwin stuff into 24.11. How far do you think we are from being able to merge it? | 17:59:47 |
| emily | a few days | 18:05:40 |
| emily | it's just pending review from two other people who have started going through it already | 18:05:58 |
| emily | the follow-up PRs are mostly ready | 18:06:09 |
| emily | it'll definitely make the next staging-next cycle, which at this rate might not even start before the 11th | 18:06:57 |
| Tristan Ross | Ok, I think we're good then to get it into 24.11 | 18:25:06 |
 Vladimír Čunát | I wonder about staging-next-24.05 as it's been quite some time, too. | 18:25:09 |
| Vladimír Čunát | * I wonder about staging-next-24.05 as it's been quite some time, too. (4 weeks) | 18:25:33 |
