| 12 Dec 2023 |
 raitobezarius | I'm using the release notes to do some note taking right now | 15:19:36 |
| raitobezarius | I think the loss of the highlight section is really a shame | 15:19:43 |
| raitobezarius | I need to read the source code to figure out the lacking information now | 15:19:54 |
| 14 Dec 2023 |
 @alejandrosame:matrix.org | There was no information lost, it was just moved around. | 06:07:37 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @alejandrosame:matrix.org
There was no information lost, it was just moved around. Hmm but where is the systemd version information for example? | 11:39:31 |
| @alejandrosame:matrix.org | 
Download Screenshot_2023-12-14-10-09-21-62_e4424258c8b8649f6e67d283a50a2cbc.jpg | 15:10:17 |
| raitobezarius | right but it's kind of buried in the middle of the page right? | 15:13:59 |
| @alejandrosame:matrix.org | What you are experiencing is the same as anybody that didn't push their subset of interest into highlights in previous release notes.
This was the reason why I wanted to make the infinite lists into headings that would show into a big table of contents. That would have increeased discoverability. Similar to how in books there's an index of topics/people mentioned. | 15:14:12 |
| raitobezarius | right | 15:14:49 |
| raitobezarius | but I would dare to say that the upgrade of random leaf package cannot really be made on the same ground as upgrade of systemd | 15:15:10 |
| @alejandrosame:matrix.org | In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.org
I need to read the source code to figure out the lacking information now You mentioned there was lacking info and there's no less lacking info than before. | 15:15:14 |
| raitobezarius | or upgrade considerations of systemd | 15:15:14 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @alejandrosame:matrix.org
You mentioned there was lacking info and there's no less lacking info than before. yes I admit that the systemd upgrade is there | 15:15:32 |
| raitobezarius | only the 8th match of the page so I didn't use the release notes further because the curation of important packages ceased to exist imho | 15:15:57 |
| raitobezarius | and the lacking info is exactly the curation of important packages IMHO | 15:16:10 |
| raitobezarius | and look alejandrosame I appreciate your work and don't let this be a criticism of what you have done here | 15:17:03 |
| @alejandrosame:matrix.org | But the discoverability is a problem, indeed. Even on a future where release notes could be generated automatically the problem will move into proper tagging. | 15:17:22 |
| raitobezarius | I think there are plenty of personas that you use the release notes and they have all their needs and it's super hard to find a cohesive way to address those many needs | 15:17:26 |
| raitobezarius | I am just giving my perspective as I used it quite successfully the previous RLs but this instance was much harder for me, and it doesn't seem to work well for me, no big deal, I know how to navigate nixpkgs | 15:17:55 |
| @alejandrosame:matrix.org | In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.org
and look alejandrosame I appreciate your work and don't let this be a criticism of what you have done here Hey, I'm well aware. If I could have gone the extra mile, the summary at the beginning would have linked to the same entries. I'm not taking it personally :) | 15:18:43 |
| raitobezarius | While I didn't notice any increase in support channel regarding hibernation problems, etc. I wonder if having systemd in the middle of the page could not lead to people missing the critical pieces of information we would like to pass on | 15:18:45 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @alejandrosame:matrix.org
Hey, I'm well aware. If I could have gone the extra mile, the summary at the beginning would have linked to the same entries. I'm not taking it personally :) I think it's important to say it :P | 15:19:05 |
| raitobezarius | Either case, modulo my bitching, I +1 you on the automatic generation | 15:19:31 |
| raitobezarius | And I wish we would have a "important" tagline or something | 15:19:37 |
 adamcstephens | the release notes are unwieldy, and some prioritization or labels combined with sorting/filtering would help a lot | 15:21:14 |
 Vladimír Čunát | Ideally you'd be shown just the subset of packages that you're using. That actually could be done automatically. | 17:06:49 |
| Vladimír Čunát | But most likely a too big project for this discussion thread. | 17:07:22 |
| raitobezarius | There's already a PR on the matter | 17:08:17 |
| 15 Dec 2023 |
|  Mic92 left the room. | 15:20:09 |
| 20 Dec 2023 |
 bendlas | I've bundled all the frustration that I felt about the issues that we had with 23.11 and PostgreSQL 15 into a proposal on how to approach state transitions in a holistic way: https://github.com/bendlas/nixpkgs/blob/nixos-state-management/nixos/state/requirements.md | 00:31:31 |
