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20 Sep 2022
@vcunat:matrix.orgVladimír ČunátRight, I knew that it's from the release but not when that will be this time.09:31:23
@vcunat:matrix.orgVladimír Čunát * Right, I knew that it's from the release but not when that will be planned this time. 09:31:33
@janne.hess:helsinki-systems.deJanne Heß oof and we also need a release editor :/ jonringer do you think the process of not publicly announcing the open RM position is okay? 09:32:45
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberek It’s usually a good way to bring in new people as well of letting people know that things are in progress, otherwise I’m sure people will start to ask. 12:02:39
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerI think it's usually a good idea to still have this be open14:19:49
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerI would still do the parts and have hexa just throw in his name.14:20:32
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer hexa: i think you would do really well :) 14:21:06
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer* I would still do the post and have hexa just throw in his name.14:25:41
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerThe main thing that I want to avoid is it seeming like a bunch of stuff going on behind closed doors. I really like the openness in the nix community, and I would like that to be a consistent theme.15:15:16
@vcunat:matrix.orgVladimír Čunát👍️ So, both "seeming" and "being".15:24:32
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerSure :)20:51:55
@janne.hess:helsinki-systems.deJanne Heßhttps://discourse.nixos.org/t/22-11-call-for-release-manager-and-editor/2186121:20:24
21 Sep 2022
@winterqt:nixos.devWinter (she/her) joined the room.11:49:08
@winterqt:nixos.devWinter (she/her)

Is there an example of what the release editor has to do? (Like, an example of a PR done as the editor, or something.)

I understand the role description but just want to see what that actually looks like in practice.

11:52:11
@janne.hess:helsinki-systems.deJanne Heß
In reply to @winterqt:nixos.dev

Is there an example of what the release editor has to do? (Like, an example of a PR done as the editor, or something.)

I understand the role description but just want to see what that actually looks like in practice.

This one comes to mind: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/174607
11:53:20
@janne.hess:helsinki-systems.deJanne Heßalso this: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/17433011:53:35
@janne.hess:helsinki-systems.deJanne Heß But I guess a better source for this kind of information is Mic92 :D 11:54:23
@joerg:thalheim.ioMic92@winterqt: going over the release notes and 11:55:10
@joerg:thalheim.ioMic92filter out stuff and reorder things.11:55:21
@winterqt:nixos.devWinter (she/her)and add missing stuff :D11:55:50
@joerg:thalheim.ioMic92I.e. making it readable. We have a lot of non-native speaker so there might be typos.11:55:50
@joerg:thalheim.ioMic92Ah, yeah. I also went over the modules to find missing ones11:56:06
@winterqt:nixos.devWinter (she/her)basically just making the release notes as good/complete as they can be?11:56:09
@janne.hess:helsinki-systems.deJanne Heß
In reply to @winterqt:nixos.dev
basically just making the release notes as good/complete as they can be?
In theory it's also writing the homepage update but that didn't seem as important to me (compared to the release notes) so I just did it myself
11:56:49
@janne.hess:helsinki-systems.deJanne HeßPretty much this, which is also posted to Discourse: https://nixos.org/blog/announcements.html#nixos-22.0511:57:04
@joerg:thalheim.ioMic92winterqt: if we would get to this quality of writing, that would be the gold standard I think: https://blog.rust-lang.org/2022/08/11/Rust-1.63.0.html11:57:49
@winterqt:nixos.devWinter (she/her)
In reply to @joerg:thalheim.io
winterqt: if we would get to this quality of writing, that would be the gold standard I think: https://blog.rust-lang.org/2022/08/11/Rust-1.63.0.html

How much of this would apply to us, though? Like, what qualities do we want? I agree that the Rust notes are excellent, but not sure how much applies to us.

Do we want, say, good explanations of (not obvious) changes? Or did you moreso mean just the writing style?

12:57:06
@joerg:thalheim.ioMic92winterqt: I think what they are good at is picking what changes actually matter to most people. Our past release notes were all a bit random and a big hotpotch.12:58:13
@joerg:thalheim.ioMic92So I think the release notes should start with the big changes that matters to most people followed by the various other changes.12:58:51
@winterqt:nixos.devWinter (she/her)

Isn't that what we do already? (at least for 22.05)

How would we want to change them?

12:59:16

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