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17 Mar 2024
@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host

infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:

  1. Code <-> Documentation
  2. Documenation <-> Documentation
  3. Documentation -> external references. e.g. references from nixpkgs to nix manual

For each of those we should have some kind of solution.

fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2.)

For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29

Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef.

But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to refences of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling)

20:12:41
@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host *

infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:

  1. Code <-> Documentation
  2. Documenation <-> Documentation
  3. Documentation -> external references. e.g. references from nixpkgs to nix manual

For each of those we should have some kind of solution.

fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2. / maybe 3.)

For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29

Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef.

But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to refences of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling)

20:13:21
@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host *

infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:

  1. Code <-> Documentation
  2. Documenation <-> Documentation
  3. Documentation -> external references. e.g. references from nixpkgs to nix manual

For each of those we should have some kind of solution.

fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2. / maybe 3.)

For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29
You want to automatically link from the documentation to the exact source code position (file/line/column) if there is such a reference. And we are doing this for, e.g., lib already.

Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef.

But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to refences of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling)

20:14:51
@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host *

infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:

  1. Code <-> Documentation
  2. Documenation <-> Documentation
  3. Documentation -> external references. e.g. references from nixpkgs to nix manual

For each of those we should have some kind of solution.

fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2. / maybe 3.)

For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29
You want to automatically link from the documentation to the exact source code position (file/line/column) if there is such a reference. And we are doing this for, e.g., lib already.

Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef.

But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to references of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling)

20:15:33
@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host *

infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:

  1. Code <-> Documentation
  2. Documenation <-> Documentation
  3. Documentation -> external references. e.g. references from nixpkgs to nix manual

For each of those we should have some kind of solution.

fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2. / maybe 3.)

For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29
You want to automatically link from the documentation to the exact source code position (file/line/column) if there is such a reference. And we are doing this for, e.g., lib already.

Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef.

But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to references of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code-side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling)

20:15:43
@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host *

infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:

  1. Code <-> Documentation
  2. Documenation <-> Documentation
  3. Documentation -> external references. e.g. references from nixpkgs to nix manual

For each of those we should have some kind of solution.

fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2. / maybe 3.)

For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29
You want to automatically link from the documentation to the exact source code position (file/line/column) if there is such a reference. And we are doing this for, e.g., lib already.

Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef.

But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to references of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code-side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling we cannot create backlinks here anymore)

20:16:04
@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host *

infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:

  1. Code <-> Documentation
  2. Documenation <-> Documentation
  3. Documentation -> external references. e.g. references from nixpkgs to nix manual

For each of those we should have some kind of solution.

fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2. / maybe 3.)

For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29
You want to automatically link from the documentation to the exact source code position (file/line/column) if there is such a reference. And we are doing this for, e.g., lib already.

Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef. (Imagine every manual exports its available URL as well as the internal "tags", that could also be referenced from elsewhere in the nix ecosystem)

But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to references of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code-side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling we cannot create backlinks here anymore)

20:17:15
@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host *

infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:

  1. Code <-> Documentation
  2. Documenation <-> Documentation
  3. Documentation -> external references. e.g. references from nixpkgs to nix manual

For each of those we should have some kind of solution.

fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2. / maybe 3.)

For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29
You want to automatically link from the documentation to the exact source code position (file/line/column) if there is such a reference. And we are doing this for, e.g., lib already.

Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef. (Imagine every manual exports its available URLs as well as the internal "tags", that could also be referenced from elsewhere in the nix ecosystem)

But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to references of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code-side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling we cannot create backlinks here anymore)

20:17:29
@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host *

infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:

  1. Code <-> Documentation
  2. Documenation <-> Documentation
  3. Documentation -> external references. e.g. references from nixpkgs to nix manual

For each of those we should have some kind of solution.

fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2. / maybe 3.)

For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29
You want to automatically link from the documentation to the exact source code position (file/line/column) if there is such a reference. And we are doing this for, e.g., lib already.

Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef. (Imagine every manual exports its available URLs as well as the available "tags", that could be referenced from elsewhere in the nix ecosystem)

But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to references of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code-side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling we cannot create backlinks here anymore)

20:17:52
@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host *

infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:

  1. Code <-> Documentation
  2. Documenation <-> Documentation
  3. Documentation -> external references. e.g. references from nixpkgs to nix manual

For each of those we should have some kind of solution.

fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef (concept) to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2. / maybe 3.)

For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29
You want to automatically link from the documentation to the exact source code position (file/line/column) if there is such a reference. And we are doing this for, e.g., lib already.

Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef. (Imagine every manual exports its available URLs as well as the available "tags", that could be referenced from elsewhere in the nix ecosystem)

But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to references of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code-side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling we cannot create backlinks here anymore)

20:20:16
@qyriad:matrix.org@qyriad:matrix.org left the room.20:43:02
@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.host@johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.hostPerhaps there is a simpler explanation of the matter. But so far I haven't managed to formulate it so that it's easier to understand. Feel free to help me 😃21:03:58
@fricklerhandwerk:matrix.orgfricklerhandwerk Johannes Kirschbauer @hsjobeki: the problem this tries to solve doesn't seem to have an English term. German: Medienbruch, French: Rupture de média - loosely translated "media discontinuity". Which is that you have information in different substrates that belongs together but there is some annoying technical barrier in between. 21:40:14
@fricklerhandwerk:matrix.orgfricklerhandwerkSource comments are just character sequences, but you're trying to point to a web document, which in turn is compiled from characters somewhere else, etc.21:41:14
@qyriad:katesiria.orgQyriad @Johannes Kirschbauer @hsjobeki like how haskell's docs do it? all the types and whatnot in the source view in https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.19.1.0/docs/src/Control.Arrow.html#Arrow are clickable and whatnot 21:43:18
18 Mar 2024
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@jade_:matrix.org@jade_:matrix.org
In reply to @qyriad:katesiria.org
@Johannes Kirschbauer @hsjobeki like how haskell's docs do it? all the types and whatnot in the source view in https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.19.1.0/docs/src/Control.Arrow.html#Arrow are clickable and whatnot
it's done by evil shit but we could instrument a Nix evaluator. also fyi as someone who worked on that it works even better locally on nixpkgs haskell because cross library references work in the source view :))
03:57:15
@jade_:matrix.org@jade_:matrix.org (actually i wonder if nixd already contains the necessary technology) 04:01:47

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