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27 Sep 2023
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisil
In reply to @poweruser64:matrix.org
After RFC 140 is in full effect, will packages still have categories of some sort? It seems like it would be a waste to get rid of all the work that has been done to classify 80000+ packages. Personally, I learn about a lot of software just by looking at what other packages are in the categories I use the most.
We can always get that back from the commit history, though new packages won't have that anymore yeah
09:44:43
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilThe benefit of those categories is imo less significant that the benefit of improving the all-packages situation09:45:59
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilBut it's great to have more feedback from people about relying on those categories for the other RFC, as you can see it discusses whethere a categorisation is worth having even :)09:46:57
@poweruser64:matrix.orgPowerUser64I'm still a little unsure, what's the real problem with all-packages? It's big, but it seems to not be a problem for the most part?09:48:07
@piegames:matrix.org@piegames:matrix.orgI personally just don't want to care about which categories my packages belong into. If we delegate this to a team or something then I'm fine with it09:48:16
@k900:0upti.meK900It's also hard to keep organized09:48:18
@k900:0upti.meK900And categories are hard to choose "correctly"09:48:28
@k900:0upti.meK900So they're all over the place09:48:32
@piegames:matrix.org@piegames:matrix.org
In reply to @poweruser64:matrix.org
I'm still a little unsure, what's the real problem with all-packages? It's big, but it seems to not be a problem for the most part?
Infinisil had an entire talk about this on NixCon, recommend that
09:48:38
@k900:0upti.meK900Also Github chokes on all-packages.nix changes half the time09:48:40
@piegames:matrix.org@piegames:matrix.orgTL;DR: it *is* that bad09:48:56
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisil Talk here 09:49:58
@poweruser64:matrix.orgPowerUser64The talk was very good! It's actually what made me aware of all this09:51:06
@poweruser64:matrix.orgPowerUser64I'm definitely going to miss having all the audio packages in the same folder when this is implemented09:52:47
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilWant to help with the categorisation rfc to have a replacement? :D09:53:32
@poweruser64:matrix.orgPowerUser64I'd love to!09:53:54
@poweruser64:matrix.orgPowerUser64I have no idea how to help or what help is needed09:54:03
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilReally just review and participate in the discussion, it's all happening in the rfc comments for now09:54:47
@poweruser64:matrix.orgPowerUser64cool09:55:06
@poweruser64:matrix.orgPowerUser64I'll go read what they're all saying09:55:24
@k900:0upti.meK900"All the audio packages"09:55:41
* @k900:0upti.meK900 remembers Pipewire is still in development/libraries09:55:47
@poweruser64:matrix.orgPowerUser64Okayyy it's not perfect, but it doesn't need to be perfect to do its job well09:56:19
@poweruser64:matrix.orgPowerUser64 it doesn't really matter where the packages are at the end of the day as long as there aren't two folders with the same name in the same directory 09:57:22

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