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6 Sep 2023
infinisil	AMB-plugins ArchiSteamFarm AusweisApp2 BeatSaberModManager CHOWTapeModel ChowCentaur ChowKick ChowPhaser CoinMP DisnixWebService EBTKS EmptyEpsilon FIL-plugins Fabric HentaiAtHome LAStools LASzip LASzip2 LibreArp LibreArp-lv2 Literate MIDIVisualizer MMA NSPlist OSCAR OVMF OVMFFull PageEdit PlistCpp QuadProgpp R SDL SDL2 SDL2_gfx SDL2_image SDL2_image_2_0_5 SDL2_mixer SDL2_mixer_2_0 SDL2_net SDL2_sound SDL2_ttf SDL_Pango SDL_audiolib SDL_classic SDL_compat SDL_gfx SDL_gpu SDL_image SDL_mixer SDL_net SDL_sixel SDL_sound SDL_stretch SDL_ttf SP800-90B_EntropyAssessment SPAdes SkypeExport StormLib Sylk ViennaRNA Xaw3d _86Box addOpenGLRunpath anonymousPro apacheAnt apacheAnt_1_9 apacheHttpd apacheHttpd_2_4 apacheKafka apacheKafka_2_8 apacheKafka_3_0 apacheKafka_3_1 apacheKafka_3_2 apacheKafka_3_3 apacheKafka_3_4 apacheKafka_3_5 apeClex arduinoOTA armTrustedFirmwareAllwinner armTrustedFirmwareAllwinnerH6 armTrustedFirmwareAllwinnerH616 armTrustedFirmwareQemu armTrustedFirmwareRK3328 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zfsStable zfsUnstable	18:27:38
infinisil	This is `nix-instantiate --eval -E 'with import ./. { config.allowAliases = false; }; lib.attrNames (lib.filterAttrs (name: value: let isDerivation = builtins.tryEval (lib.isDerivation value); in name != lib.toLower name && isDerivation.success && isDerivation.value) pkgs)' --strict --json \| jq -r '.[]'`	18:28:05
Artturin	1285 vs 495 damn	18:29:13
infinisil	Not sure why we need that convention fwiw	18:29:42
infinisil	I guess it's more consistent, easier to find it, less chance of making a mistake in the name	18:30:15
infinisil	Fair enough	18:30:18
K900	What convention?	18:30:20
infinisil	In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org The pname and the version attribute must not contain uppercase letters — e.g., "mplayer" instead of "MPlayer"`. Huh TIL, from https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/tree/master/pkgs#package-naming K900 ⚡️:	18:30:58
K900	Oh yeah I'm not sure about pname	18:31:20
K900	But attribute names should really be lower case	18:31:24
infinisil	Maybe we should have pname match the attribute name too though	18:32:05
K900	I don't really care on that one	18:35:53
davidak	that makes it much less confusing	18:56:14
7 Sep 2023
DavHau	In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org Maybe we should have pname match the attribute name too though Yes please. Establishing that pattern is also important for downstream projects. Associating the log of a failed build with the correct package file can often be a nightmare, especially for team members with little nix experience.	20:55:43
DavHau	Its also important if we want to better integrate package updates. We can attach an update script to a package via passthru, but that script needs to know the location of the package definition. Hardcoding the location breaks portability. A mechanism to compute the package location from the attribute path is needed.	23:10:24
DavHau	* Its also important if we want to better integrate package updates. We can attach an update script to a package via passthru, but that script needs to know the location of the package definition. Hardcoding the location breaks portability. A mechanism to compute the package location from the package name is benefitial.	23:12:44
8 Sep 2023
@piegames:matrix.org	I think currently update scripts are executed in the package's folder, and finding the Nixpkgs root can be done with a simple git command	06:04:25
@piegames:matrix.org	Update scripts should already be invariant to their location	06:04:49
	Alesya Huzik joined the room.	09:59:01
Artturin	When `python...callPackage` is is gotten rid of everything should be switched to `pythonXXPackages` instead of `python.pkgs`. https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/211340	10:44:48
figsoda	In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org Ah neat! Note that the folder structure should be treated as internal to Nixpkgs, there is no API guarantee that it will not change over time. Considering that, it would be great if we could figure out a proper API that Nixpkgs could expose for this. Maybe it should be as simple as `pkgs.preferredDirectoryForPackage "foo" = ./pkgs/by-name/fo/foo` just implemented the feature in nix-init, I think one thing that would help is if some constants and shard_for_package are exposed in a crate	18:34:46
tomberek	infinisil: Amazing talk today. Very well done. Bravo!	22:54:03
infinisil	Thanks! ☺️	22:55:26
infinisil	In reply to @figsoda:matrix.org just implemented the feature in nix-init, I think one thing that would help is if some constants and shard_for_package are exposed in a crate It is internal, but we could maybe just mark it as such. Can you open an issue or a PR to discuss this?	22:59:40
figsoda	In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org It is internal, but we could maybe just mark it as such. Can you open an issue or a PR to discuss this? https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/254122	23:06:46
figsoda	not much more information aside from what was already said, but this would be a good place to aggregate the discussion	23:07:27
infinisil	figsoda: Can you ping @nixpkgs-architecture/team in the issue so it's going to the teams notifications? That would be great :)	23:12:53
infinisil	Updating it should work	23:12:58
figsoda	updated the issue to ping @nixpkgs-architecture and @nixpkgs-architecture/team since the latter wasn't giving me a preview	23:15:23
infinisil	Ah darn, yeah I think we need to push some people to move the architecture team into the nixos org, because apparently these pings don't work :/	23:31:36

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