| 5 Dec 2025 |
 emily | it sounds like we lucked into getting an expert who has been around for the entire century and everyone respects as the replacement rather than someone good at corporate politics | 18:04:33 |
| emily | hope it works out | 18:04:43 |
| emily | we could use a few Snow Leopards in a row at this point… | 18:04:56 |
 samasaur | yea rumor has it that it will be snow leopard–like. don't think we have heard anything official about it | 18:11:30 |
 Randy Eckenrode | Being back the cat names, and I might use them again instead of numbers. | 18:12:32 |
| samasaur | my favorite reaction to the dye news is that tweet at the end of the gruber article but my second favorite is this image: | 18:12:40 |
| samasaur | 
Download image.png | 18:12:48 |
 Katalin 🔪 | hahahah | 18:13:04 |
| emily | I thought https://x.com/sdw/status/1996431428561822093 was funny | 18:14:12 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Got Swift building by turning off LTO. Now I need to fix the SwiftPM hook to find the dependencies in the new place. | 18:15:41 |
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| 6 Dec 2025 |
 Ihar Hrachyshka | Enzime: I think we forced all wrapper users for firefox and thunderbird to build the unwrapped from source :(
fix: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/468288
| 01:27:35 |
| Randy Eckenrode | https://github.com/swiftlang/swift/issues/82990 | 02:02:06 |
| Randy Eckenrode | I get that crash when building swift-corelibs-xctest for Swift Driver. 😕 | 02:02:28 |
| Randy Eckenrode | I think I got the SDK propagation wrong. | 02:08:35 |
| Randy Eckenrode | So close. SwiftPM depends on Swift Driver. I guess I’m going to have stick with the CMake build of Swift Driver. I don’t like that. | 02:45:54 |
| Randy Eckenrode | LLVM has a Darwin libtool? Hmm. | 05:24:40 |
|  P J joined the room. | 07:48:00 |
 niklaskorz | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
disclaimer for Gruber, but I have been happy to learn that the person who took responsibility for Liquid Glass and has otherwise overseen the decline in Apple UI design over the past decade has been replaced by an actual interface designer https://daringfireball.net/2025/12/bad_dye_job Amazing... I think I'll just stick to my plan of skipping macOS 26 entirely then. | 08:20:47 |
| Randy Eckenrode | I wonder if I can do something hacky to swift-toolchain-sqlite to make it devendor sqlite. 🤔 | 12:44:26 |
 vcunat | Ever seen something like this?
File "/nix/store/b229zll0pw9ljig3jblh2fda9in786i8-python3.13-knot-resolver-manager_6-6.0.17/bin/knot-resolver", line 2
PATH=${PATH:+':'$PATH':'}
^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
This wrapper stuff is auto-generated by buildPythonPackage and it does work on linux.
| 13:24:41 |
| vcunat | (except for a tiny non-python patch changing this hash, it's all just nixpkgs master) | 13:27:22 |
| vcunat | Oh, does macOS behave different than Linux around executing scripts? 🤔 | 13:28:36 |
| vcunat | i.e. maybe it's syntax error because a wrong interpreter is used? | 13:29:33 |
 K900 | That's a Python syntax error | 13:29:55 |
| K900 | In a script with clearly bash syntax | 13:30:00 |
| K900 | So something is trying to call python <bash script> | 13:30:12 |
| vcunat | Hmm, thanks. I think this moves me in a hopeful direction. | 13:32:28 |
| vcunat | I see. It's an unexpected interaction of nix-specific wrapping machinery with OS-specific piece of code from upstream. | 13:47:44 |
| vcunat | (when the script attempts to reexecute itself) | 13:48:07 |
