| 24 May 2026 |
 Sandro 🐧 | Needed to build a lot of other stuff yesterday, too, when updating | 09:42:33 |
 Hadi 🤒 | I had to build like 400 things. | 09:54:35 |
| Hadi 🤒 | And its still building. | 09:54:41 |
| Sandro 🐧 | Over 1.4k but at least half of that is my fault | 10:12:13 |
 aloisw | I understand, I didn't say what they did was totally evil but only that it would have been better to be more open about the situation earlier. | 10:14:33 |
| Hadi 🤒 | It was always open. The Issue is publically avaible for eyes to look at. | 10:16:43 |
 K900 | I think that's just the reality of open source tbh | 10:17:52 |
| K900 | The only things getting work done are 1) things that are fun and 2) things people pay for | 10:18:02 |
| K900 | X11 was never fun | 10:18:33 |
| K900 | And now no one wants to pay for the work either | 10:18:39 |
| aloisw | The mail I linked could still have been more open that the expectation about it being maintained until Plasma 7 is not actually an expectation then. After all the issue is a year older than it. | 10:19:50 |
| aloisw | Anyway, looks like the AlmaLinux 9 they suggested in the announcement regarding 6.8 has both KDE Plasma and the required NVIDIA driver and the support timeframe I was hoping for, so it may actually be a reasonable solution. Still would have preferred to do it right away though :( | 10:22:36 |
| Hadi 🤒 | In reply to @aloisw:kde.org
The mail I linked could still have been more open that the expectation about it being maintained until Plasma 7 is not actually an expectation then. After all the issue is a year older than it. A Fact: Something that has already happened and can be proven.
Reality: The actual state of things as they exist right now.
An Expectation: A thought about a reality that does not yet exist. | 10:24:56 |
| Hadi 🤒 | The TODO List got worked on faster than expected. Therefore the expectation proved to be to pessimistic. | 10:26:35 |
| aloisw | Ah, so finally you actually provided a reason that did change after all. I assume there was some external funding for a huge effort to accelerate the timeline by roughly 5x? | 10:30:07 |
| K900 | Valve at least is paying a bunch of folks | 10:33:12 |
| K900 | There's also the EUgov funding now | 10:33:20 |
| K900 | Which you should probably ask Raito about | 10:33:35 |
| K900 | If you want details | 10:33:48 |
| Hadi 🤒 | In reply to @aloisw:kde.org
Ah, so finally you actually provided a reason that did change after all. I assume there was some external funding for a huge effort to accelerate the timeline by roughly 5x? Yes we were faster than we anticipated. So the need of the X11 side fell out. | 10:41:41 |
| aloisw | Makes sense then. The EU funding happened after the 6.8 announcement so I suppose the acceleration was funded by the Valve money, I'm kinda surprised they don't care as much about old NVIDIA as they care about old AMD. | 10:57:03 |
| aloisw | In any case congrats for the funding, it really gives me hope for improvement on the Linux desktop front. And after all AlmaLinux 9 exists for those who can't switch to Wayland (and thanks for pointing them to it). | 10:58:20 |
| K900 | They do care | 10:58:26 |
| K900 | I believe at least some of the NVK-on-older-hardware work has been funded by Valve via Collabora | 10:58:37 |
| aloisw | Unfortunately for pre-Turing the nouveau kernel driver is not really a realistic option due to the power management situation: depending on the machine configuration the card will be either in the lowest state (slow) or in a higher one (hot) permamently (there are apparently some workarounds for Kepler and early Maxwell but not sure how well they work). So you need various legacy versions of the proprietary driver which really only support X11 (I think some of them did support Wayland without GBM but no compositor I'm aware of still does). | 11:12:55 |
| K900 | Wasn't someone working on power management for those too? | 11:24:56 |
| K900 | On the kernel side | 11:25:08 |
| aloisw | Not that I'm aware of. The only things I could find is for Pascal Tegras (https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nouveau/2025-August/048609.html) and for newer Maxwell (https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nouveau/2017-September/028848.html) but without fan support. | 11:36:36 |
| aloisw | (and of course everything is still manual) | 11:37:24 |
| 26 May 2026 |
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