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@sinavir:matrix.orgsinavir joined the room.13:26:44
@patka_123:matrix.orgpatka Anyway, I have said what I wanted and am going to pull out of this again. Sorry if I stepped on anyones toes. I was just reading this and hoping this wouldn't be how things were normally dealt with. I don't think it's a smart and sustainable way to do conduct business 13:26:58
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius Just to be clear, I stand with @delroth on the CloudFlare choice. 13:56:15
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius We have a clear community with clear opinions and stances w.r.t to CloudFlare history, we don't need to throw them money and be hypocritical about our values 13:57:18
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius This is not the same situation as before where we had zero infra people and had no idea where we will be going, there's plenty of choices and CloudFlare can be heavily penalized in that list so that we won't even need to consider it IMHO 13:58:12
@adam:robins.wtfadamcstephens 🐝Do we have a clear community opinion on this? That feels presumptive to me given this discussion and my own personaly opinions.13:58:14
@adam:robins.wtfadamcstephens 🐝 * Do we have a clear community opinion on this? That feels presumptive to me given this discussion and my own personal opinions.13:58:23
@whentze:matrix.orgWanja Hentzeis it specifically an issue with Cloudflare or cloud providers more generally?13:58:27
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius
In reply to @adam:robins.wtf
Do we have a clear community opinion on this? That feels presumptive to me given this discussion and my own personaly opinions.
The amount of minorities contributing to our project is a bit visible
13:58:38
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius I took an expansive interpretation of clear stance on this because I assumed that people are aware of what happened with Kiwi Farms :) 13:59:21
@adam:robins.wtfadamcstephens 🐝To be clear I have no love for Cloudflare, but I also consider Amazon to be problematic. But they get to fly under the radar I guess.13:59:57
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius
In reply to @whentze:matrix.org
is it specifically an issue with Cloudflare or cloud providers more generally?
This is specific to CF regarding their role on enabling certain sorts of consequences in real world from what I see, but maybe delroth had something else in mind
13:59:57
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius Yes 14:00:06
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius I support complete self hosting and minimal cloud computing 14:00:41
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius The NixOS project is not a startup 14:00:47
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius It will exist in a large amount of years 14:00:56
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius Problems like volunteers, inventives structures to maintain infrastructure are solvable 14:01:13
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius I don't think we need to give the money to pay engineers to other companies if we have the pool of talents in our community to do it at cheaper rates 14:01:36
@domenkozar:matrix.orgDomen Kožar raitobezarius: we have so much stuff to build, I don't understand why pick this fight 14:02:11
@adam:robins.wtfadamcstephens 🐝self hosting as much as possible would be my preference as well, but unfortunately it does seem more expensive due to needing to pay people14:02:47
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius
In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
raitobezarius: we have so much stuff to build, I don't understand why pick this fight
Because things can be parallel, it's not because there's another thing to build that the folks working on that would build it no?
14:03:00
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius And once you have stable infrastructure environment, plenty of things are possible and easier 14:03:27
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius We don't have maintained and stable infrastructure 14:03:34
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius Paying AWS gets us only so far, but not where we need to be 14:03:45
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius
In reply to @adam:robins.wtf
self hosting as much as possible would be my preference as well, but unfortunately it does seem more expensive due to needing to pay people
I think those are separate questions and problems @ more expensive 
14:04:09
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius (this might not be clearly true?) 14:04:24
@adam:robins.wtfadamcstephens 🐝it does seem like we already struggle to maintain the infrastructure we already have. maybe some funding could help, but when I look at the state of hydra and ofborg I do have concerns about taking on more of our own infra14:04:50
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius
In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.org
We don't have maintained and stable infrastructure
Well I am undermining the excellent work of the current infra team by saying that
14:04:54
@domenkozar:matrix.orgDomen Kožar raitobezarius: with all good intentions I have never seen it play out well 14:04:56
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius We didn't have that 14:04:57

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