| 11 Mar 2024 |
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| Shalok Shalom | In reply to @whentze:matrix.org
I think it's capped at $1500/mo which is nothing compared to a real tech salary but also is a whole lot compared to $0 I guess that depends a lot on the area. I know that is kinda an ethical topic, Indian developers earn around 5k - in one year. | 06:45:26 |
| Shalok Shalom | In reply to @whentze:matrix.org
I think it's capped at $1500/mo which is nothing compared to a real tech salary but also is a whole lot compared to $0 * I guess that depends a lot on the area. Indian developers earn around 5k - in one year.
I know that raises ethical questions for some, and on the other hand, did we decide to take money from arms dealers.
And I can imagine worse than taking money from the arms industry and giving it to Indian developers.
Or Chinese, or Ukrainian, or else. 🙂
| 06:56:59 |
| Shalok Shalom | * I guess that depends a lot on the area. Indian developers earn around 5k - in one year.
I know that raises ethical questions for some, and on the other hand did we decide to take money from an arms dealer.
And I can imagine worse than taking money from the arms industry and giving it to Indian developers.
Or Chinese, or Ukrainian, or else. 🙂
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| @arianvp:matrix.org | In reply to @edef1c:matrix.org
but broadly speaking i am not impressed with how much the (seemingly profitable) ecosystem has contributed towards the Foundation Can i ask why you didn't claim more than 5k? And I generally agree with this sentiment. I was hoping that me fighting for my company to donate 20k would cause more companies to do the same | 07:15:40 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | I think people underestimate how influencial a strongly held opinion is even in a large company. Somebody just needs to have the balls to send in a payment request in the big machine of SAP/Netsuite together with a well-written proposal and people higher up will approve it. Also these amounts you're asking for is peanuts compared to your standard SaaS enterprise contract.
My message is that people should just grow some balls and talk to higher ups and make donations happen! | 07:18:16 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | * Can i ask why you didn't claim more than 5k? And I generally agree with this sentiment. I was hoping that me fighting for my company to donate 10k would cause more companies to do the same | 07:18:35 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | * I think people underestimate how influencial a strongly held opinion is even in a large company. Somebody just needs to have the balls to send in a payment request in the big machine of SAP/Netsuite together with a well-written proposal and people higher up will approve it. Also these amounts you're asking for is peanuts compared to your standard SaaS enterprise contract.
My message is that people should just grow some balls and talk to higher ups and make donations happen!
I wonder if I should write a guide "how to convince your manager to sponsor the nixos foundation" | 07:19:04 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | Would a guide / blog post be useful? | 07:19:24 |
| Shalok Shalom | In reply to @arianvp:matrix.org
I think people underestimate how influencial a strongly held opinion is even in a large company. Somebody just needs to have the balls to send in a payment request in the big machine of SAP/Netsuite together with a well-written proposal and people higher up will approve it. Also these amounts you're asking for is peanuts compared to your standard SaaS enterprise contract.
My message is that people should just grow some balls and talk to higher ups and make donations happen!
I wonder if I should write a guide "how to convince your manager to sponsor the nixos foundation" I guess the wording is important, too. Like, how to make it sound that its an unenviable spending, and not a donation? | 07:19:31 |
| Shalok Shalom | In reply to @arianvp:matrix.org
Would a guide / blog post be useful? I would like that combined with practical examples | 07:19:55 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | Framing it as a donation actually made it easier for me to get it approved funnily enough | 07:20:07 |
| Shalok Shalom | Like, something that has proven to be successful | 07:20:08 |
| Shalok Shalom | In reply to @arianvp:matrix.org
Framing it as a donation actually made it easier for me to get it approved funnily enough I am kinda puzzled about this | 07:20:20 |
| Shalok Shalom | Sounds like a company has not understood the point of capitalism | 07:20:32 |
| Shalok Shalom | And that is rare. | 07:20:36 |
| Shalok Shalom | /claim | 07:20:46 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | Actually it made things harder for the initial approval. It just made my life easier as there was slightly less paperwork to do in the ERP | 07:23:46 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | So maybe not the most accurate protrayal to call it "easier". It was easier in some aspects. Harder in others | 07:24:42 |
| Shalok Shalom | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
one idea, and it might be a bad one, but technically we could add a clause on cache.nixos.org says that it can only be used for non-profit work. We don't enforce it, but that helps going to companies and be like: hey, did you see this clause?
I would then offer a plan to them | 07:29:27 |
| Shalok Shalom | In reply to @whentze:matrix.org
7-nines is not a thing on the internet IME Erlang is popular for its 9 nines :) | 07:35:06 |
| Shalok Shalom | In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.org
The BSD folks have 2 racks in Théo de Raadt basement and build idk 30k packages over many architectures in their cache? My favorite story of the day 😁 | 07:43:35 |
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