| 6 Mar 2024 |
 raitobezarius | The NixOS project is not a startup | 14:00:47 |
| raitobezarius | It will exist in a large amount of years | 14:00:56 |
| raitobezarius | Problems like volunteers, inventives structures to maintain infrastructure are solvable | 14:01:13 |
| raitobezarius | I don't think we need to give the money to pay engineers to other companies if we have the pool of talents in our community to do it at cheaper rates | 14:01:36 |
 Domen Kožar | raitobezarius: we have so much stuff to build, I don't understand why pick this fight | 14:02:11 |
 adamcstephens 🐝 | self hosting as much as possible would be my preference as well, but unfortunately it does seem more expensive due to needing to pay people | 14:02:47 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
raitobezarius: we have so much stuff to build, I don't understand why pick this fight Because things can be parallel, it's not because there's another thing to build that the folks working on that would build it no? | 14:03:00 |
| raitobezarius | And once you have stable infrastructure environment, plenty of things are possible and easier | 14:03:27 |
| raitobezarius | We don't have maintained and stable infrastructure | 14:03:34 |
| raitobezarius | Paying AWS gets us only so far, but not where we need to be | 14:03:45 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @adam:robins.wtf
self hosting as much as possible would be my preference as well, but unfortunately it does seem more expensive due to needing to pay people I think those are separate questions and problems @ more expensive | 14:04:09 |
| raitobezarius | (this might not be clearly true?) | 14:04:24 |
| adamcstephens 🐝 | it does seem like we already struggle to maintain the infrastructure we already have. maybe some funding could help, but when I look at the state of hydra and ofborg I do have concerns about taking on more of our own infra | 14:04:50 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.org
We don't have maintained and stable infrastructure Well I am undermining the excellent work of the current infra team by saying that | 14:04:54 |
| Domen Kožar | raitobezarius: with all good intentions I have never seen it play out well | 14:04:56 |
| raitobezarius | We didn't have that | 14:04:57 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
raitobezarius: with all good intentions I have never seen it play out well What project do you think of? | 14:05:11 |
| Domen Kožar | well any I can remember in the past | 14:05:24 |
| raitobezarius | The BSD folks have 2 racks in Théo de Raadt basement and build idk 30k packages over many architectures in their cache? | 14:05:31 |
| raitobezarius | It has been like this for years | 14:05:39 |
| raitobezarius | When Theo goes on holidays | 14:05:47 |
| raitobezarius | His family and friends have the keys to swap the disk in town | 14:05:56 |
| raitobezarius | If any such need occur | 14:06:02 |
| raitobezarius | I can imagine many failure scenarios | 14:06:10 |
| Domen Kožar | raitobezarius: the foundation can't afford to say when 1000 of businesses rely on cache, that Theo went on vacation can family had an emergency | 14:06:23 |
| Domen Kožar | not when there were other options | 14:06:29 |
| raitobezarius | I don't see thousands of businesses giving money for the cache | 14:06:50 |
| raitobezarius | So I am not even sure this is a problem at this point | 14:06:59 |
| Domen Kožar | wait, we're mixing things up now | 14:07:13 |
| Domen Kožar | if they use it, it doesn't mean they donate | 14:07:24 |
