| 6 Mar 2024 |
 Julien | I see your point and it's an important one. I think what I'd like us to have is have the data saved somewhere and still accessible. I think we could still have the "current" data (1 year of unstable, 2 releases) in a cloud infrastructure that cost way less, and parallely export the data to another place we manage where there is less availability and that is maintained as best effort policy. | 13:09:43 |
| Julien | * I see your point and it's an important one. I think what I'd like us to have is have the data saved somewhere and still accessible. I think we could still have the "current" data (1 year of unstable, 2 releases) in a cloud infrastructure that cost way less, and parallely export the data to another place we manage where there is less availability assumptions and that is maintained as best effort policy. | 13:10:39 |
 @domenkozar:matrix.org | patka: I'm financially responsible if foundation runs out of money, so I do have my foot in this | 13:10:59 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | I did not anticipate that AWS will waive all the fees, so the conditions have changed | 13:11:56 |
| Julien | * I see your point and it's an important one. I think what I'd like us to have is have the data saved somewhere and still accessible. I think we could still have the "current" data (1 year of unstable, 2 releases) in a cloud infrastructure that just works but cost way less (because we have less data), and parallely export the data to another place we manage where there is less availability assumptions and that is maintained as best effort policy. | 13:12:11 |
| Julien | Maybe in that case we should also ask AWS to double our sponsorship, if we are willing to go away from them | 13:13:10 |
 delroth | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
this is not time nor place to bring our the morals because we all have our own and it's going to be impossible to find a common ground, that's how morals work convenient | 13:13:41 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | we talked to Cloudflare and they would give us some mass discount | 13:13:49 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | but they never gave us a number | 13:13:57 |
| delroth | if that's going to be the foundation's stance on things, I hope you're ready to accept the consequences that come with it | 13:14:01 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | delroth: is that threatening? | 13:14:27 |
| delroth | absolutely, I can tell you that at least I'm having nothing to do with a foundation that funds cloudflare | 13:14:48 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | sure :) | 13:15:25 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | cachix pays cloudflare, btw | 13:15:48 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | and we would pay to another provider if there was a competitor | 13:16:27 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | * and we would pay to another provider if there was a decent competitor | 13:16:48 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | delroth: I'm sure you have reasons to hate cloudflare, but you have to also understand you can't force that on others | 13:17:22 |
| delroth | yes, and you can't force me to contribute my time to nixos | 13:17:55 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | and that's the beauty of how to world works :) | 13:18:50 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | * and that's the beauty of how the world works :) | 13:18:57 |
 patka | Huh, what is this reasoning? delroth is saying that he doesn't like cloudflare and that they would then leave? You are the one forcing cloudflare on others by making sure we move there Domen Kožar. I hope you can be a bit more considerate than this.
First barge in here and destroys people plans with some "wait, I'll get funding" and then this... | 13:19:31 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | patka: I respect his opinion, but threatening like this is not a way to have any decent discussions | 13:20:35 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | * patka: I respect his opinion, but threatening like this is not a way to have any decent discussion | 13:20:36 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | * patka: I respect their opinion, but threatening like this is not a way to have any decent discussion | 13:20:43 |
| patka | What is threathening about it? they are just sharing what they'd do themselves. The only "forcing" thing is not having a conversation and honestly interacting, while forcing cloudflare on others | 13:21:28 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | In reply to @delroth:delroth.net
if that's going to be the foundation's stance on things, I hope you're ready to accept the consequences that come with it have you read this ? | 13:22:21 |
| patka | This is how burnout happens. People not being listened to and when they do make a plan that someone comes in with "promises to fix things (funding in this case)" and negates the plans. While also probably (I don't know) having enough weight behind them to just force things through.
I have read that indeed. But saying that they would leave is indeed a threat, and also something that should be taking into account, right? Especially because then we'd largely have a dead infra. | 13:24:57 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | patka: that's my point about burnout I was having earlier, I've seen this play out many times in the past and it always ends the same | 13:26:15 |
|  @sinavir:matrix.org joined the room. | 13:26:44 |
| patka | Anyway, I have said what I wanted and am going to pull out of this again. Sorry if I stepped on anyones toes. I was just reading this and hoping this wouldn't be how things were normally dealt with. I don't think it's a smart and sustainable way to do conduct business | 13:26:58 |
