| 6 Mar 2024 |
 @domenkozar:matrix.org | it doesn't even have to be burning out, they just get a baby :) | 13:05:55 |
 flokli | The amount of people actually writing code to understand the large dataset that cache.nixos.org is is quite small, and we're all pretty burnt out. | 13:05:59 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | yes exactly my point :) | 13:06:11 |
| flokli | I'll just take a step back from this for now. | 13:06:18 |
| flokli | Check back with the foundation and your potential sponsors, make sure we have commitments in, and backing from the foundation | 13:06:34 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | I'll do my best | 13:06:45 |
 Julien | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
Julien: I've been in many non-profit organizations and one of the hardest things to design for is when people burn out, which happens a lot You mean that as a point not to go for a cache infrastrucutre maintained by community members, right ? | 13:06:46 |
| flokli | And if/once we do have wiggling room to design a nicer system, we could. | 13:06:49 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | In reply to @julienmalka:matrix.org
You mean that as a point not to go for a cache infrastrucutre maintained by community members, right ? yes | 13:07:08 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | when you work in a team of volunteers you have to assume anyone can leave at any time | 13:07:46 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | and when you start paying engineers, 7k/mo is pretty cheap | 13:08:26 |
 patka | I might be out of line here and interfer with this I shouldn't mingle myself with. But people also burn out really fast when a plan is made and agreed upon and then someone comes along and throws a wrench into the plans, with only wishes and good intentions | 13:08:32 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | yeah I understand this | 13:09:30 |
| Julien | I see your point and it's an important one. I think what I'd like us to have is have the data saved somewhere and still accessible. I think we could still have the "current" data (1 year of unstable, 2 releases) in a cloud infrastructure that cost way less, and parallely export the data to another place we manage where there is less availability and that is maintained as best effort policy. | 13:09:43 |
| Julien | * I see your point and it's an important one. I think what I'd like us to have is have the data saved somewhere and still accessible. I think we could still have the "current" data (1 year of unstable, 2 releases) in a cloud infrastructure that cost way less, and parallely export the data to another place we manage where there is less availability assumptions and that is maintained as best effort policy. | 13:10:39 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | patka: I'm financially responsible if foundation runs out of money, so I do have my foot in this | 13:10:59 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | I did not anticipate that AWS will waive all the fees, so the conditions have changed | 13:11:56 |
| Julien | * I see your point and it's an important one. I think what I'd like us to have is have the data saved somewhere and still accessible. I think we could still have the "current" data (1 year of unstable, 2 releases) in a cloud infrastructure that just works but cost way less (because we have less data), and parallely export the data to another place we manage where there is less availability assumptions and that is maintained as best effort policy. | 13:12:11 |
| Julien | Maybe in that case we should also ask AWS to double our sponsorship, if we are willing to go away from them | 13:13:10 |
 delroth | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
this is not time nor place to bring our the morals because we all have our own and it's going to be impossible to find a common ground, that's how morals work convenient | 13:13:41 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | we talked to Cloudflare and they would give us some mass discount | 13:13:49 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | but they never gave us a number | 13:13:57 |
| delroth | if that's going to be the foundation's stance on things, I hope you're ready to accept the consequences that come with it | 13:14:01 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | delroth: is that threatening? | 13:14:27 |
| delroth | absolutely, I can tell you that at least I'm having nothing to do with a foundation that funds cloudflare | 13:14:48 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | sure :) | 13:15:25 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | cachix pays cloudflare, btw | 13:15:48 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | and we would pay to another provider if there was a competitor | 13:16:27 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | * and we would pay to another provider if there was a decent competitor | 13:16:48 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | delroth: I'm sure you have reasons to hate cloudflare, but you have to also understand you can't force that on others | 13:17:22 |
