| 6 Mar 2024 |
 Julien | Doesn't prevent us from designing a better long term solution | 12:54:14 |
| Julien | And supposedly the EU Data act let us export all the data from a provider at any given point | 12:54:31 |
| Julien | * And supposedly the EU Data act let us export all the data from a provider at any given point for free | 12:54:48 |
 flokli | Getting a sudeen influx of money into the foundation so we don't need to worry about the current costs too much would certainly help. But as I said, we didn't have that much of corporate players chipping in. | 12:54:48 |
| flokli | * Getting a sudden influx of money into the foundation so we don't need to worry about the current costs too much would certainly help. But as I said, we didn't have that much of corporate players chipping in. | 12:54:58 |
| Julien | Well I imagine that a bit of networking always help | 12:55:24 |
| Julien | These actors like to be asked sometimes | 12:55:39 |
| flokli | Yes, definitely. We should make sure it's not just one actor, and there's some commitment/willto do this at least for a year, so we have some wiggle room | 12:56:11 |
| flokli | We didn't have that. | 12:56:18 |
 @domenkozar:matrix.org | Julien: I've been in many non-profit organizations and one of the hardest things to design for is when people burn out, which happens a lott | 13:04:25 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | * Julien: I've been in many non-profit organizations and one of the hardest things to design for is when people burn out, which happens a lot | 13:04:27 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | it doesn't even have to be burning out, they just get a baby :) | 13:05:55 |
| flokli | The amount of people actually writing code to understand the large dataset that cache.nixos.org is is quite small, and we're all pretty burnt out. | 13:05:59 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | yes exactly my point :) | 13:06:11 |
| flokli | I'll just take a step back from this for now. | 13:06:18 |
| flokli | Check back with the foundation and your potential sponsors, make sure we have commitments in, and backing from the foundation | 13:06:34 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | I'll do my best | 13:06:45 |
| Julien | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
Julien: I've been in many non-profit organizations and one of the hardest things to design for is when people burn out, which happens a lot You mean that as a point not to go for a cache infrastrucutre maintained by community members, right ? | 13:06:46 |
| flokli | And if/once we do have wiggling room to design a nicer system, we could. | 13:06:49 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | In reply to @julienmalka:matrix.org
You mean that as a point not to go for a cache infrastrucutre maintained by community members, right ? yes | 13:07:08 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | when you work in a team of volunteers you have to assume anyone can leave at any time | 13:07:46 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | and when you start paying engineers, 7k/mo is pretty cheap | 13:08:26 |
 patka | I might be out of line here and interfer with this I shouldn't mingle myself with. But people also burn out really fast when a plan is made and agreed upon and then someone comes along and throws a wrench into the plans, with only wishes and good intentions | 13:08:32 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | yeah I understand this | 13:09:30 |
| Julien | I see your point and it's an important one. I think what I'd like us to have is have the data saved somewhere and still accessible. I think we could still have the "current" data (1 year of unstable, 2 releases) in a cloud infrastructure that cost way less, and parallely export the data to another place we manage where there is less availability and that is maintained as best effort policy. | 13:09:43 |
| Julien | * I see your point and it's an important one. I think what I'd like us to have is have the data saved somewhere and still accessible. I think we could still have the "current" data (1 year of unstable, 2 releases) in a cloud infrastructure that cost way less, and parallely export the data to another place we manage where there is less availability assumptions and that is maintained as best effort policy. | 13:10:39 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | patka: I'm financially responsible if foundation runs out of money, so I do have my foot in this | 13:10:59 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | I did not anticipate that AWS will waive all the fees, so the conditions have changed | 13:11:56 |
| Julien | * I see your point and it's an important one. I think what I'd like us to have is have the data saved somewhere and still accessible. I think we could still have the "current" data (1 year of unstable, 2 releases) in a cloud infrastructure that just works but cost way less (because we have less data), and parallely export the data to another place we manage where there is less availability assumptions and that is maintained as best effort policy. | 13:12:11 |
| Julien | Maybe in that case we should also ask AWS to double our sponsorship, if we are willing to go away from them | 13:13:10 |
