| 6 Mar 2024 |
 flokli | I'm just saying we put a lot of effort into figuring out what data is pretty much unused, and to scrape the dataset. While there was a Opencollective open where companies could have sponsored a lot. We had one big contribution, but nothing to keep paying 7k or more a month for a sustained amount of time | 12:50:27 |
| flokli | Changing plans 20 times is very tiring | 12:50:41 |
 Julien | In reply to @julienmalka:matrix.org
But I feel that currently we are obligated to delete some data we would not want to delete ideally just because we are not in control of the data. For example if we were, the scenario where we put in in CA storage would be more believable That's what I mean by "we don't own the data". We have to obey arbitrary rules to do what we want with it | 12:50:46 |
| flokli | I'm not against changing the plan if it makes sense, but I'm not sure all the calculations are done to determine this solution is better, and we're in a position to execute it. | 12:51:37 |
| flokli | I'm pretty much burnt out of this whole matter. We announced an upcoming GC more than a month ago, I didn't see any sponsors step up to pay the bill so we don't have to GC. | 12:52:23 |
 @domenkozar:matrix.org | I can do my job and get that funding, but we need to agree first that we have trust established | 12:52:30 |
| Julien | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
we don't own github as well well to get the code I can just git clone and some people are actually working towards exporting github PRs/issues history, it's the same question of trying not to be dependent on a vendor | 12:52:54 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | I have talked to companies and they are willing to sponsor, it just takes effort to make this thing happen | 12:53:00 |
| flokli | It's not my call on whether we can delay the GC further to evaluate another solution, that's a foundation topic. | 12:53:11 |
| flokli | So please reach out to them, and get them to make that call. | 12:53:20 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | alright I'll talk to them next week | 12:53:31 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | thanks guys :) | 12:53:35 |
| Julien | Anyway, in the short term any solution towards paying less and/or saving historical data is good | 12:53:59 |
| Julien | Doesn't prevent us from designing a better long term solution | 12:54:14 |
| Julien | And supposedly the EU Data act let us export all the data from a provider at any given point | 12:54:31 |
| Julien | * And supposedly the EU Data act let us export all the data from a provider at any given point for free | 12:54:48 |
| flokli | Getting a sudeen influx of money into the foundation so we don't need to worry about the current costs too much would certainly help. But as I said, we didn't have that much of corporate players chipping in. | 12:54:48 |
| flokli | * Getting a sudden influx of money into the foundation so we don't need to worry about the current costs too much would certainly help. But as I said, we didn't have that much of corporate players chipping in. | 12:54:58 |
| Julien | Well I imagine that a bit of networking always help | 12:55:24 |
| Julien | These actors like to be asked sometimes | 12:55:39 |
| flokli | Yes, definitely. We should make sure it's not just one actor, and there's some commitment/willto do this at least for a year, so we have some wiggle room | 12:56:11 |
| flokli | We didn't have that. | 12:56:18 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | Julien: I've been in many non-profit organizations and one of the hardest things to design for is when people burn out, which happens a lott | 13:04:25 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | * Julien: I've been in many non-profit organizations and one of the hardest things to design for is when people burn out, which happens a lot | 13:04:27 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | it doesn't even have to be burning out, they just get a baby :) | 13:05:55 |
| flokli | The amount of people actually writing code to understand the large dataset that cache.nixos.org is is quite small, and we're all pretty burnt out. | 13:05:59 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | yes exactly my point :) | 13:06:11 |
| flokli | I'll just take a step back from this for now. | 13:06:18 |
| flokli | Check back with the foundation and your potential sponsors, make sure we have commitments in, and backing from the foundation | 13:06:34 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | I'll do my best | 13:06:45 |
