| 6 Mar 2024 |
 @domenkozar:matrix.org | ehh | 12:38:31 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | you can migrate from cloud providers, but then you need to pay people inside the foundation to manage all this | 12:39:24 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | I don't think this is going to end well | 12:39:33 |
 Julien | 7k/mo is still a load difficult to bear for the fondation, no ? If I understand well currently the excess cost with AWS is 6k/mo ? | 12:39:53 |
 flokli | Well, this channel is about binary cache self-hosting ;-) | 12:40:06 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | 7k/mo I can guarantee I can get sponsorship for | 12:40:10 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | flokli: ok, so where can we discuss the plan then | 12:40:24 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | I'm fine in any channel :) | 12:40:29 |
| flokli | The foundation currently pays 6k a month out of their own pocket and doesn't want to do this long-term, and the AWS sponsorship coving some more costs is time-limited too, because we need to get our costs down. | 12:41:07 |
| flokli | The number of data in the bucket is also growing, it certainly will if we don't want to GC and don't have the wiggle room to dedup | 12:41:46 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | yes, we migrate to R2 and we get 6k/mo of sponsors for the foundation and we have the full history | 12:41:49 |
| flokli | We need more than that. | 12:41:58 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | cache is a common good, we shouldn't just remove stuff if we have a chance of keeping it | 12:42:01 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | it's 500GB of storage no? | 12:42:13 |
| Julien | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
it's 500GB of storage no? Tb | 12:42:28 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | eh 500TB :) | 12:42:35 |
| Julien | It’s going to continue to grow tho | 12:42:48 |
| flokli | We need a more long-term commitment to keep sponsoring this. We need to be certain we can go to cloudflare, and we need to be certain they're ok both with the traffic levels and that staying free | 12:43:01 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | Nix is also growing and companies should pay back to keep it alive | 12:43:04 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | it used to be one company paying for all of this | 12:43:21 |
| flokli | We need to be sure we can have some "cloud functions" too, so we can store things differently and more compact, to make this more sustainable too. | 12:43:31 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | yeah you have cloudflare workers | 12:43:43 |
| flokli | And this is now all being discussed a week after we wanted to start the GC. | 12:43:53 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | we shouldn't let sunk cost fallacy destroy our history if we can do another plan of saving it | 12:44:32 |
| flokli | I don't think workers will be free if we send NAR files through them. | 12:44:42 |
| flokli | Someone needs to do the math, ensure the proposal is feasible, and the sponsors we do come up with can commit a bit long time | 12:45:06 |
| Julien | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
it used to be one company paying for all of this Well that is one topic where I fully agree with you, but we also must be resilient to situations where we don’t have that solution working. The situation we currently face with GC/AWS cost shows that we are not ready to sustain the costs of hosting the cache with a cloud provider, and we do not own our own data | 12:45:16 |
| flokli | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
we shouldn't let sunk cost fallacy destroy our history if we can do another plan of saving it We don't talk about destroying it, the plan was to put it into glacier, where we can get it back, it's just not immediately accessible, but much cheaper to store. | 12:45:43 |
| @domenkozar:matrix.org | we own the data, you can transfer it out any time | 12:45:47 |
| flokli | * We don't talk about destroying it, the plan was to put it into glacier, where we can get it back, it's just not immediately accessible, but much cheaper to store. Until we have a better place to host it long-term. | 12:46:01 |
