| 2 Mar 2024 |
 raitobezarius | Let's say, if HW manufacturers said: here's disks, here's servers (cheap in the context anyhow), and we could just pay colo, that'd be interesting | 02:06:30 |
| raitobezarius | etc. | 02:06:33 |
 nh2 | This is not what I mean. I mean that if you buy the hardware for a colo, it costs a fixed price. You could put it into your colo in France, or in Hetzner, where you would get proper HA. | 02:06:33 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @nh2:matrix.org
This is not what I mean. I mean that if you buy the hardware for a colo, it costs a fixed price. You could put it into your colo in France, or in Hetzner, where you would get proper HA. This, I don't disagree | 02:06:56 |
| raitobezarius | But what's your point regarding that? | 02:07:07 |
| nh2 | My point is: Hetzner is currently the cheapest $/TB hardware rental on the planet. The only cheaper way (long term) is owning the hardware and putting it into colo.
So I'm just pointing out, if you're considering colo, colo at Hetzner might be the way to go for the absolute cheapest and still reliable. | 02:08:52 |
| raitobezarius | I'm not extremely familiar with Hetzner colocation | 02:10:31 |
| raitobezarius | but reading from that https://www.hetzner.com/colocation/ | 02:10:35 |
| raitobezarius | assuming 1kW (constant) over one year, assuming 2 locations in Finland, at the announced electricity rates, this is something like 2×(119 + 0.2618€/kWh1kW1year) = 4827,87 € | 02:12:28 |
| raitobezarius | * assuming 1kW (constant) over one year, assuming 2 locations in Finland, at the announced electricity rates, this is something like 2×(119 + 0.2618€/kWh*1kW*1year) = 4827,87 € | 02:12:38 |
| raitobezarius | over one year | 02:12:45 |
| raitobezarius | for 17U of 2×10A if I understand well | 02:12:55 |
| raitobezarius | and 1Gbps | 02:12:57 |
| raitobezarius | I guess an additional 92,82€/mo because of the traffic | 02:13:28 |
| raitobezarius | and then some classical disk replacement schema over N years taking into account remote hands costs which are probably a constant at this point | 02:14:05 |
| raitobezarius | so that's the sort of proposal I'd be interested reading if there was any Hetzner colocation idea | 02:14:25 |
| raitobezarius | though this doesn't totally beat any random colocation because of the seemingly lack of custom peering options and the limited bandwidth | 02:14:56 |
| raitobezarius | unclear to me if hetzner can offer something better on that end | 02:15:09 |
| raitobezarius | oh shoot I forgot the 119€/mo | 02:15:33 |
| raitobezarius | but yeah something like 8K€/year + ϵ anyway | 02:15:52 |
| raitobezarius | so still competitive compared to 1470€/mo because in 17U, you could fit like a ridiculous amount of disks via JBODs or whatever | 02:16:33 |
| raitobezarius | and have complete control over the tiering | 02:16:39 |
| raitobezarius | so assuming we do have the hardware, this is a compelling option and if we offer a proper complete proposal to the foundation and operations make sense and infrastructure agrees to it, it could be adopted I guess | 02:18:24 |
| raitobezarius | * so assuming we do have the hardware, this is a compelling option and if we offer a proper complete proposal to the foundation and operations make sense and infrastructure folks agrees to it, it could be adopted I guess | 02:18:30 |
| raitobezarius | and to give an example of hardware costs, I guess a netapp de6600 60x3.5" could cost something like 800EUR, you can fit 60×20TB disk in there, so 1.2PB raw capacity, 60 disks of 20TB will cost approximately 440€*60 ~ 26.4K EUR at list price, obviously, so something like 27K EUR, this can be spread over the 2 locations to avoid having 1.2PB × 2 needlessly (and the rest can be filled as the cache grows organically) | 02:24:08 |
| raitobezarius | I'm ignoring server costs because honestly you can find a R730 in a trash bin, put enough SAS cards and plug the JBOD in | 02:24:30 |
| raitobezarius | tough question is whether flash is needed at all or not | 02:24:41 |
| raitobezarius | if so, this can add 5K-20K to the proposal | 02:24:55 |
| raitobezarius | actually hetzner seems to have proper connection options: https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/colocation/pricing | 02:32:47 |
| raitobezarius | they were just hidden | 02:32:48 |
