| 11 Mar 2024 |
 Shalok Shalom | seems a pretty major one | 17:12:49 |
 edef | "otherwise" | 17:12:54 |
| edef | ie, we are not in the case where it would be minor, but other than the underfunding, it's not exactly a huge number for an org that serves this many people | 17:14:04 |
| Shalok Shalom | my English skills had let me down, thanks for the explanation 🙂 | 17:15:11 |
| edef | np! i do have a habit of using language in a way where a lot hinges on a single word | 17:15:50 |
 Wanja Hentze | agreed, the cost is not large in relation to the value provided. it is large in relation to funding available | 17:15:57 |
| Shalok Shalom | I had a discussion today with K900, about the capabilities that a possible replacement for Hydra would need to provide for us to be valuable. How much do you think does it need to save, in order to come into question for you? | 17:17:33 |
| edef | i think reworking the database / storage backend for Hydra would already provide a lot of value | 17:18:13 |
| Shalok Shalom | It would obviously also provide other benefits, but purely speaking in terms of performance | 17:18:14 |
| edef | right now it's doing an impressive job of wringing the worst possible perf out of postgres | 17:18:34 |
| edef | In reply to @shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.org
Erlang is popular for its 9 nines :) as much as Joe Armstrong liked to talk about that number, it's not really from a representative sample | 17:19:21 |
| Shalok Shalom | And how complicated would it be, to test such an instance to verify, if the 300k long build queues would be satisfied and such | 17:19:25 |
| edef | i think we can do a lot better wrt build queues and scheduling | 17:19:37 |
| edef | but i'm fearful people want to go for a Big Rewrite | 17:19:50 |
| Shalok Shalom | In reply to @edef1c:matrix.org
as much as Joe Armstrong liked to talk about that number, it's not really from a representative sample I know ;) But its still quite reasonable to assume, 7 nines are common to Erlang | 17:19:59 |
| Shalok Shalom | In reply to @edef1c:matrix.org
but i'm fearful people want to go for a Big Rewrite I would suggest an already written alternative 😬 | 17:20:23 |
| Shalok Shalom | In reply to @edef1c:matrix.org
right now it's doing an impressive job of wringing the worst possible perf out of postgres Haha :D | 17:20:40 |
| edef | In reply to @edef1c:matrix.org
basically i don't really want to be all "you need to be this tall to ride, please have actual irl ops experience at scale to talk at all" but if people want to participate in conversations like this and make demands about SLOs/SLAs i'd like them to at least read the SRE at Google book and learn to think about this well, it's literally free i'm afraid i have to point at the sign | 17:20:42 |
| Shalok Shalom | In reply to @edef1c:matrix.org
i think reworking the database / storage backend for Hydra would already provide a lot of value Do we have an issue for that? | 17:20:53 |
| edef | i don't think so | 17:20:59 |
| edef | but i think we could quite reasonably strangler-pattern it | 17:21:06 |
| Shalok Shalom | How many people do we have, that happen to be fine with Perl yet | 17:21:41 |
| Shalok Shalom | In an appropriate manner | 17:22:06 |
| edef | i grew up writing Perl but it's been a decade or two since i've been primarily a Perl programmer | 17:22:16 |
| Shalok Shalom | I see | 17:22:30 |
| edef | it's not particularly hard to learn, and it's a nice language for a lot of things if you grasp it properly | 17:23:41 |
| Shalok Shalom | Yeah, I saw the existing Perl code and found it to be reasonable readable, but I heard community voices.. | 17:24:10 |
| Shalok Shalom | I care more about the established architecture, as the language itself | 17:24:25 |
| Shalok Shalom | And thought, it might take an experienced Perl hacker to circumvent that | 17:24:40 |
| edef | i wouldn't say that Hydra is one of the nicer Perl codebases i've seen | 17:24:41 |
