| 7 Mar 2024 |
 edef | it's just one of the raw materials i need to get stuff to do work, like food and hardware maintenance | 10:09:16 |
| edef | i understand it's different if you have a day job that perhaps even uses Nix but leaves the fun stuff as a hobby | 10:10:40 |
| edef | In reply to @delroth:delroth.net
Infra work kind of has the unfortunate property that you can't really dissociate it from responsibilities :( yeah, and this is part of why i care about showing up for it: it's the stuff that doesn't happen and gets neglected otherwise | 10:11:14 |
 delroth | I think we're in full alignment there :p | 10:11:42 |
| edef | like we found a bunch of infra governance issues along the way just poking around at things, that have been left that way for years | 10:11:44 |
| edef | because people didn't take or hand off responsibility properly | 10:11:53 |
| delroth | It's usually why I end up getting railroaded to infra work on any project I contribute to | 10:12:06 |
 patka | In reply to @delroth:delroth.net
I mean, you can have someone work on infra without taking on responsibilities, but usually that just means someone else is doing it I understand that, but I'm also very aware what the consequences of that mentality are. You really don't want to go down on a multi year burnout where you are unable to get out of bed 80% of your day. It's good to have a very high sense of responsibility, but those will also fall in the water if you can't function anymore (as will much of the rest of your life in that period) | 10:12:24 |
| edef | and in turn, i won't leave until my responsibilities are handed off or circumstances force me | 10:12:28 |
| delroth | In reply to @patka_123:matrix.org
I understand that, but I'm also very aware what the consequences of that mentality are. You really don't want to go down on a multi year burnout where you are unable to get out of bed 80% of your day. It's good to have a very high sense of responsibility, but those will also fall in the water if you can't function anymore (as will much of the rest of your life in that period) dw I've been in tech long enough to have the "opportunity" to burn out once already, the lesson has been learned | 10:13:22 |
| edef | In reply to @patka_123:matrix.org
I understand that, but I'm also very aware what the consequences of that mentality are. You really don't want to go down on a multi year burnout where you are unable to get out of bed 80% of your day. It's good to have a very high sense of responsibility, but those will also fall in the water if you can't function anymore (as will much of the rest of your life in that period) yeah, i'm kinda past that. i don't really have much of a life outside of this right now, and i don't really go outside beyond to congregate at events with nix folk | 10:13:35 |
| patka | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
I want to at least cover your cost of living There is a github sponsor option for the short term | 10:13:56 |
| edef | my budget is optimised for Cheap so that i can … do this stuff, and it's very cheap to stay inside :p | 10:13:58 |
| edef | i'm not quite so close to the wire right now, and boy am i finding out i can eat a lot when i'm not artificially restricting myself | 10:16:46 |
| edef | idk. that's my piece i guess, i seem to survive, i'd like somebody to working on a bunch of stuff, i also want to find a way to make my survival sustainable without quite so much brinkmanship. maybe those will overlap, maybe they won't, and so far i've not wanted to take very much time away from working because the more-fun moneymaking activities seem less essential to other people | 10:22:54 |
| edef | * idk. that's my piece i guess, i seem to survive, i'd like somebody to working on a bunch of stuff, i also want to find a way to make my survival sustainable without quite so much brinkmanship. maybe those will overlap, maybe they won't, and so far i've not wanted to take very much time away from working because the more-fun moneymaking activities seem less essential to doing stuff that helps other people | 10:23:43 |
| edef | * idk. that's my piece i guess, i seem to survive, i'd like somebody to working on a bunch of stuff, i also want to find a way to make my survival sustainable without quite so much brinkmanship. maybe those will overlap, maybe they won't, but so far i've not wanted to take very much time away from working because the more-fun moneymaking activities seem less essential to doing stuff that helps other people | 10:24:28 |
| edef | * idk. that's my piece i guess, i seem to survive, i'd like somebody to be working on a bunch of stuff, i also want to find a way to make my survival sustainable without quite so much brinkmanship. maybe those will overlap, maybe they won't, but so far i've not wanted to take very much time away from working because the more-fun moneymaking activities seem less essential to doing stuff that helps other people | 10:30:29 |
| edef | and like, there are probably other people kind of like this. if they have any sense, they will disappear in the long run. some of them are probably of value to retain and perhaps a net benefit even on a purely financial basis | 10:35:00 |
| edef | eg we probably could've burnt way less foundation money on the cache if we'd been more on the ball about it, and saved money on net even if we had to pay some folks to allow them to focus on it | 10:36:16 |
 Wanja Hentze | does the foundation sponsor individuals for e.g. project grants? | 10:36:53 |
| Wanja Hentze | rust foundation does this and imo it's been by far one of the best uses of their money | 10:37:04 |
| edef | the cache preservation project has €5k allocated to me, discussed previously | 10:37:43 |
| Wanja Hentze | I think it's capped at $1500/mo which is nothing compared to a real tech salary but also is a whole lot compared to $0 | 10:37:53 |
| edef | doesn't really move the needle that much given the time expenditure | 10:38:01 |
| edef | and yeah, $1500/mo doesn't pay for my living costs | 10:38:19 |
| edef | there's a long tail of stuff downstream of free rider effects and underfunding of a lot of infrastructural stuff at many levels, we're probably wasting a bunch of the volunteers' time on things that could be automated or made smoother by having dedicated people or guidance and leadership, etc | 10:40:09 |
| edef | like "hey can you answer this question about the cache / historical builds / etc" has been useful to people doing other work | 10:43:51 |
| edef | i know julian malka is working on some reproducibility stuff and i was able to pull him the cache metadata he needed (some work to do still, but priorities) | 10:44:49 |
 Jonas Chevalier | we're working on the fundraising on the foundation level, and I think that will give us much more room to do things like that. I'm also working on something on the private level to make edef sustainable, but I don't want to talk about it too much until it's done. | 10:45:07 |
