| 7 Mar 2024 |
 Wanja Hentze | if you do a good job on the infra and have reasonable requirements (this one is important), on-call can be relatively okay | 00:08:19 |
| Wanja Hentze | that being said I would currently not join a 2nd rotation because I simply need time off for real once in a while | 00:11:49 |
| Wanja Hentze | I can help with infra work though if you want me to beat a NixOS over the head or replace a hard drive or whatever | 00:13:21 |
 @linus:schreibt.jetzt | Yeah I'm not sure "on-call" makes that much sense here anyway? I'd consider it to be a best-effort thing, and I expect that if stuff catches fire people will scramble to fix it, but nobody needs to be paged out of whatever they're doing for it | 00:15:25 |
| Wanja Hentze | idk, crates.io has a rotation and I consider that less essential | 00:16:07 |
| @linus:schreibt.jetzt | we also have the advantage of the cache not being super critical for nix/nixos to be usable | 00:16:16 |
| @linus:schreibt.jetzt | like if it goes down for a day, that would be much less of a problem than the ubuntu package servers being down for a day would be for ubuntu | 00:17:10 |
| @linus:schreibt.jetzt | ergh, I should sleep, not think about this, for now | 00:19:46 |
| @linus:schreibt.jetzt | good night :D | 00:19:48 |
| Wanja Hentze | eh, for a loooot of NixOS users, the cache being down means nixos-rebuild just becomes a desk warming app | 00:19:53 |
 edef | yeah | 00:20:03 |
| edef | from the cache logs, i know we have a lot of users in like, low-GDP countries you've never heard of before | 00:20:30 |
| Wanja Hentze | we can actually build our closures on our CI infra but I'm sure many can't | 00:20:36 |
| edef | i don't think they would appreciate the desk warming since it is coming out of their power bill | 00:20:46 |
| Wanja Hentze | and in my hobby usage I definitely can't | 00:20:55 |
| edef | nor do they likely have the RAM to actually build most things | 00:21:11 |
 raitobezarius | In reply to @edef1c:matrix.org
from the cache logs, i know we have a lot of users in like, low-GDP countries you've never heard of before i wonder if low GDP countries can download fast enough some of our stuff though | 00:21:31 |
| raitobezarius | and if they don't end up passing --no-substituters or something | 00:21:42 |
| edef | i'm working from cache logs, so they do seem to hit it | 00:22:01 |
| edef | or they wouldn't show on my radar at all | 00:22:05 |
| raitobezarius | ah right | 00:22:05 |
| edef | bandwidth will hopefully improve in the long run if we can get deduping to work well and carry all the way through to the frontend protocol | 00:22:55 |
| Wanja Hentze | anyone familiar with the micromirror project? https://blog.thelifeofkenneth.com/2023/05/building-micro-mirror-free-software-cdn.html?m=1 | 00:25:25 |
| Wanja Hentze | they're just chucking shitty tiny boxes everywhere to hit the hottest cache entries really fast (because closes to users) | 00:26:01 |
| Wanja Hentze | * they're just chucking shitty tiny boxes everywhere to hit the hottest cache entries really fast (because closer to users) | 00:26:15 |
| edef | we have Fastly covering that and i have some other stuff i could call | 00:26:33 |
| edef | * we have Fastly covering that and i have some other stuff i could call in | 00:26:37 |
| edef | broadly CDN is not the biggest thing to worry about right this second | 00:27:04 |
| Wanja Hentze | oh, so the plan is not to self host the CDN | 00:27:09 |
| Wanja Hentze | that makes it much easier indeed | 00:27:15 |
