 | NixOS Binary Cache Self-Hosting | 171 Members |
| About how to host a very large-scale binary cache and more | 58 Servers |
| NixOS Binary Cache Self-Hosting | 171 Members |
| About how to host a very large-scale binary cache and more | 58 Servers |
| Sender | Message | Time |
|---|---|---|
| 6 Mar 2024 | ||
 raitobezarius | In reply to @hexa:lossy.networkYes but we are in a hypothetical conversation about a new level of requirements for the cache operations | 14:21:40 |
 patka | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense. My point about burnout is:
If your objective is "to make Nix succeed, at all cost", I'd implore to consider rethinking some things If your objective is " | 14:22:18 |
 Wanja Hentze | fwiw we run life-critical services on NixOS and we don't really mind if the cache is down | 14:22:29 |
| patka | Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense. One of the reasons people might get burned out is people coming together on an already difficult topic (the discourse thread about GC started a very long time ago and is very long) and put their energy into fixing. Then one week before they presumable start with it someone comes in with "Yo trust me, I think I'll get money" and "weird decisions are being made. If your objective is "to make Nix succeed, at all cost", I'd implore to consider rethinking some things | 14:22:45 |
| raitobezarius | Anyhow, I think this debate is heated up for no real reason | 14:22:55 |
| raitobezarius | I don't understand the requirements you impose @Domen Kožar | 14:23:08 |
| raitobezarius | They don't seem grounded by a real need | 14:23:24 |
 Domen Kožar | and self hosting is? | 14:23:40 |
| Domen Kožar | lol :D | 14:23:46 |
| Domen Kožar | alright, I've had enough of this non sense :) | 14:23:58 |
| Domen Kožar left the room. | 14:24:02 | |
 Julien | damn | 14:26:04 |
| patka | Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense. My point about burnout is:
| 14:27:58 |
| patka | Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense. One of the reasons people might get burned out is people coming together on an already difficult topic (the discourse thread about GC started a very long time ago and is very long) and put their energy into fixing. Then one week before they presumable start with it someone comes in with "Yo trust me, I think I'll get money" and "weird decisions" are being made. Saying things like "that's how the world works" after people voicing their opinions that don't suit yours. It is tiring to have to explain yourself constantly and then just getting this unthoughtful response. If your objective is "to make Nix succeed, at all cost", I'd implore to consider rethinking some things | 14:30:13 |
 hexa | wow | 14:32:10 |
| hexa | * welp | 14:32:26 |
 adamcstephens 🐝 | sometimes all the smiley faces in the world can't fix the words themselves. | 14:34:55 |
| patka | Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense. My point about burnout is:
If your objective is "to make Nix succeed, at all cost", I'd implore to consider rethinking some things | 14:35:23 |
| patka | This wasn't my intention, and I would hate it if the momentum behing this is now gone. Are we going to wait until there might be a message from somewhere that there is sponsoring, or are we going to ask what the foundation thinks, or maybe continue with the plan that was already made? | 14:43:31 |
| raitobezarius | I don't see any reason to change course given the recent elements | 14:44:20 |
| raitobezarius | For the sake of charitable interpretation, I will write this as Domen being confused | 14:44:44 |
| raitobezarius | As he didn't partake in any relevant meeting regarding cache in the past months AFAIK | 14:45:04 |
| patka | Because I have a feeling that (and it might be very wrong) that the natural course of things happening and what eventually might happen is people losing energy and just leaving it for what it is | 14:45:22 |
| raitobezarius | If that's the case, I would encourage people to communicate that they feel they're losing energy and does not want to engage anymore, it's really hard to do more than that ; Domen is not the infra team | 14:46:12 |
| raitobezarius | Infra team remains empowered to carve their paths and the various baby steps laid out for the next months | 14:46:37 |
| raitobezarius | Next board meeting, we will discuss this suggestion from Domen and I will have more news to share | 14:47:03 |
| patka | In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.orgNor do I, but again, my opinion is not very valuable on this. Just wanted to ask the opinions of the people involved. I think flokli for example said (not really, but that's my interpretation) that he wants to wait until there is a solid plan before going further | 14:47:30 |
| raitobezarius | But I don't see any reason for why we would have a sudden change in course beyond the one we decided for w.r.t to GC in Tuesday's GC WG meeting | 14:47:31 |
| patka | Awesome! | 14:47:43 |
| raitobezarius | Then I will leave the mic to @flokli | 14:47:47 |