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6 Mar 2024
@domenkozar:matrix.orgDomen Kožarthey will pay you for any downtime14:19:39
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius
In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
they will pay you for any downtime
Yes but what do we need
14:19:44
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius Money or reliability 14:19:48
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa Durability 14:19:55
@domenkozar:matrix.orgDomen Kožardurability + availability14:20:03
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius
In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
Durability
Yes and only for FODs truth be told
14:20:10
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius This is a *cache*, something doesn't exist or is corrupted? We rebuild it 14:20:27
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa Intermittent availability loss is meh, but durability loss is yolo 14:20:28
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa
In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.org
This is a *cache*, something doesn't exist or is corrupted? We rebuild it
That process does not yet exist
14:21:14
@whentze:matrix.orgWanja Hentzeit does, it's normal nix14:21:37
@domenkozar:matrix.orgDomen Kožar raitobezarius: who rebuilts it? none of the users have the infrastructure 14:21:40
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius
In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
That process does not yet exist
Yes but we are in a hypothetical conversation about a new level of requirements for the cache operations
14:21:40
@patka_123:matrix.orgpatka
In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
patka: that's my point about burnout I was having earlier, I've seen this play out many times in the past and it always ends the same

Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense.

My point about burnout is:

  • One of the reasons people might get burned out is people coming together on an already difficult topic (the discourse thread about GC started a very long time ago and is very long) and put their energy into fixing. Then one week before they presumable start with it someone comes in with "Yo trust me, I think I'll get money" and "weird decisions are being made.
  • Saying things like "that's how the world works" after people voicing their opinions that don't suit yours. It is tiring to have to explain yourself constantly and then just getting this unthoughtful response.

If your objective is "to make Nix succeed, at all cost", I'd implore to consider rethinking some things

If your objective is "

14:22:18
@whentze:matrix.orgWanja Hentzefwiw we run life-critical services on NixOS and we don't really mind if the cache is down14:22:29
@patka_123:matrix.orgpatka

Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense.
My point about burnout is:

One of the reasons people might get burned out is people coming together on an already difficult topic (the discourse thread about GC started a very long time ago and is very long) and put their energy into fixing. Then one week before they presumable start with it someone comes in with "Yo trust me, I think I'll get money" and "weird decisions are being made.
Saying things like "that's how the world works" after people voicing their opinions that don't suit yours. It is tiring to have to explain yourself constantly and then just getting this unthoughtful response.

If your objective is "to make Nix succeed, at all cost", I'd implore to consider rethinking some things

14:22:45
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius Anyhow, I think this debate is heated up for no real reason 14:22:55
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius I don't understand the requirements you impose @Domen Kožar  14:23:08
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius They don't seem grounded by a real need 14:23:24
@domenkozar:matrix.orgDomen Kožarand self hosting is?14:23:40
@domenkozar:matrix.orgDomen Kožarlol :D14:23:46
@domenkozar:matrix.orgDomen Kožaralright, I've had enough of this non sense :)14:23:58
@domenkozar:matrix.orgDomen Kožar left the room.14:24:02
@julienmalka:matrix.orgJuliendamn14:26:04
@patka_123:matrix.orgpatka

Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense.

My point about burnout is:

  • One of the reasons people might get burned out is people coming together on an already difficult topic (the discourse thread about GC started a very long time ago and is very long) and put their energy into fixing. Then one week before they presumable start with it someone comes in with "Yo trust me, I think I'll get money" and "weird decisions are being made.

  • Saying things like "that's how the world works" after people voicing their opinions that don't suit yours. It is tiring to have to explain yourself constantly and then just getting this unthoughtful response.
    If your objective is "to make Nix succeed, at all cost", I'd implore to consider rethinking some things

14:27:58
@patka_123:matrix.orgpatka

Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense.
My point about burnout is:

One of the reasons people might get burned out is people coming together on an already difficult topic (the discourse thread about GC started a very long time ago and is very long) and put their energy into fixing. Then one week before they presumable start with it someone comes in with "Yo trust me, I think I'll get money" and "weird decisions" are being made.

Saying things like "that's how the world works" after people voicing their opinions that don't suit yours. It is tiring to have to explain yourself constantly and then just getting this unthoughtful response.

If your objective is "to make Nix succeed, at all cost", I'd implore to consider rethinking some things

14:30:13
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa wow 14:32:10
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa * welp 14:32:26
@adam:robins.wtfadamcstephens 🐝sometimes all the smiley faces in the world can't fix the words themselves.14:34:55
@patka_123:matrix.orgpatka

Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense.

My point about burnout is:

  • One of the reasons people might get burned out is people coming together on an already difficult topic (the discourse thread about GC started a very long time ago and is very long) and put their energy into fixing. Then one week before they presumable start with it someone comes in with "Yo trust me, I think I'll get money" and "weird decisions" are being made.
  • Saying things like "that's how the world works" after people voicing their opinions that don't suit yours. It is tiring to have to explain yourself constantly and then just getting this unthoughtful response.

If your objective is "to make Nix succeed, at all cost", I'd implore to consider rethinking some things

14:35:23
@patka_123:matrix.orgpatka

This wasn't my intention, and I would hate it if the momentum behing this is now gone.

Are we going to wait until there might be a message from somewhere that there is sponsoring, or are we going to ask what the foundation thinks, or maybe continue with the plan that was already made?

14:43:31

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