NixOS Binary Cache Self-Hosting | 173 Members | |
| About how to host a very large-scale binary cache and more | 60 Servers |
| Sender | Message | Time |
|---|---|---|
| 6 Mar 2024 | ||
| they will pay you for any downtime | 14:19:39 | |
In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.orgYes but what do we need | 14:19:44 | |
| Money or reliability | 14:19:48 | |
| Durability | 14:19:55 | |
| durability + availability | 14:20:03 | |
In reply to @hexa:lossy.networkYes and only for FODs truth be told | 14:20:10 | |
| This is a *cache*, something doesn't exist or is corrupted? We rebuild it | 14:20:27 | |
| Intermittent availability loss is meh, but durability loss is yolo | 14:20:28 | |
In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.orgThat process does not yet exist | 14:21:14 | |
| it does, it's normal nix | 14:21:37 | |
| raitobezarius: who rebuilts it? none of the users have the infrastructure | 14:21:40 | |
In reply to @hexa:lossy.networkYes but we are in a hypothetical conversation about a new level of requirements for the cache operations | 14:21:40 | |
In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense. My point about burnout is:
If your objective is "to make Nix succeed, at all cost", I'd implore to consider rethinking some things If your objective is " | 14:22:18 | |
| fwiw we run life-critical services on NixOS and we don't really mind if the cache is down | 14:22:29 | |
| Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense. One of the reasons people might get burned out is people coming together on an already difficult topic (the discourse thread about GC started a very long time ago and is very long) and put their energy into fixing. Then one week before they presumable start with it someone comes in with "Yo trust me, I think I'll get money" and "weird decisions are being made. If your objective is "to make Nix succeed, at all cost", I'd implore to consider rethinking some things | 14:22:45 | |
| Anyhow, I think this debate is heated up for no real reason | 14:22:55 | |
| I don't understand the requirements you impose @Domen Kožar | 14:23:08 | |
| They don't seem grounded by a real need | 14:23:24 | |
| and self hosting is? | 14:23:40 | |
| lol :D | 14:23:46 | |
| alright, I've had enough of this non sense :) | 14:23:58 | |
| 14:24:02 | ||
| damn | 14:26:04 | |
| Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense. My point about burnout is:
| 14:27:58 | |
| Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense. One of the reasons people might get burned out is people coming together on an already difficult topic (the discourse thread about GC started a very long time ago and is very long) and put their energy into fixing. Then one week before they presumable start with it someone comes in with "Yo trust me, I think I'll get money" and "weird decisions" are being made. Saying things like "that's how the world works" after people voicing their opinions that don't suit yours. It is tiring to have to explain yourself constantly and then just getting this unthoughtful response. If your objective is "to make Nix succeed, at all cost", I'd implore to consider rethinking some things | 14:30:13 | |
| wow | 14:32:10 | |
| * welp | 14:32:26 | |
| sometimes all the smiley faces in the world can't fix the words themselves. | 14:34:55 | |
| Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense. My point about burnout is:
If your objective is "to make Nix succeed, at all cost", I'd implore to consider rethinking some things | 14:35:23 | |
| This wasn't my intention, and I would hate it if the momentum behing this is now gone. Are we going to wait until there might be a message from somewhere that there is sponsoring, or are we going to ask what the foundation thinks, or maybe continue with the plan that was already made? | 14:43:31 | |