| 6 Mar 2024 |
 hexa | 7 neins! | 14:17:10 |
 Wanja Hentze | I've never seen anything beyond 5 nines | 14:17:10 |
 delroth | Wanja Hentze: yeah and we have two layers (Fastly -> EC2) so the failure rates multiply | 14:17:44 |
 Domen Kožar | another reason to use cloudflare ;) | 14:17:57 |
 raitobezarius | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
another reason to use cloudflare ;) CF doesn't give that | 14:18:11 |
| Wanja Hentze | at my employer we run 5-nines on our own hardware but that's about the limit of what you can achieve anyway | 14:18:29 |
| hexa | Traffic doesnt matter within the bandwidth alliance fwiw | 14:18:39 |
| Wanja Hentze | 7-nines is not a thing on the internet IME | 14:18:49 |
| delroth | nobody outside of like aerospace does more than 5-nines | 14:19:04 |
| Domen Kožar | cloudflare has 100% SLA | 14:19:28 |
| raitobezarius | Also this is a cache | 14:19:29 |
| Domen Kožar | btw :) | 14:19:32 |
| Domen Kožar | they will pay you for any downtime | 14:19:39 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
they will pay you for any downtime Yes but what do we need | 14:19:44 |
| raitobezarius | Money or reliability | 14:19:48 |
| hexa | Durability | 14:19:55 |
| Domen Kožar | durability + availability | 14:20:03 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
Durability Yes and only for FODs truth be told | 14:20:10 |
| raitobezarius | This is a *cache*, something doesn't exist or is corrupted? We rebuild it | 14:20:27 |
| hexa | Intermittent availability loss is meh, but durability loss is yolo | 14:20:28 |
| hexa | In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.org
This is a *cache*, something doesn't exist or is corrupted? We rebuild it That process does not yet exist | 14:21:14 |
| Wanja Hentze | it does, it's normal nix | 14:21:37 |
| Domen Kožar | raitobezarius: who rebuilts it? none of the users have the infrastructure | 14:21:40 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
That process does not yet exist Yes but we are in a hypothetical conversation about a new level of requirements for the cache operations | 14:21:40 |
 patka | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
patka: that's my point about burnout I was having earlier, I've seen this play out many times in the past and it always ends the same Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense.
My point about burnout is:
- One of the reasons people might get burned out is people coming together on an already difficult topic (the discourse thread about GC started a very long time ago and is very long) and put their energy into fixing. Then one week before they presumable start with it someone comes in with "Yo trust me, I think I'll get money" and "weird decisions are being made.
- Saying things like "that's how the world works" after people voicing their opinions that don't suit yours. It is tiring to have to explain yourself constantly and then just getting this unthoughtful response.
If your objective is "to make Nix succeed, at all cost", I'd implore to consider rethinking some things
If your objective is " | 14:22:18 |
| Wanja Hentze | fwiw we run life-critical services on NixOS and we don't really mind if the cache is down | 14:22:29 |
| patka | Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense.
My point about burnout is:
One of the reasons people might get burned out is people coming together on an already difficult topic (the discourse thread about GC started a very long time ago and is very long) and put their energy into fixing. Then one week before they presumable start with it someone comes in with "Yo trust me, I think I'll get money" and "weird decisions are being made.
Saying things like "that's how the world works" after people voicing their opinions that don't suit yours. It is tiring to have to explain yourself constantly and then just getting this unthoughtful response.
If your objective is "to make Nix succeed, at all cost", I'd implore to consider rethinking some things | 14:22:45 |
| raitobezarius | Anyhow, I think this debate is heated up for no real reason | 14:22:55 |
| raitobezarius | I don't understand the requirements you impose @Domen Kožar | 14:23:08 |
| raitobezarius | They don't seem grounded by a real need | 14:23:24 |
