| 5 Mar 2024 |
 flokli | Make sure you check the price list first! | 16:07:04 |
| 6 Mar 2024 |
 Domen Kožar | so basically we need like 7k/mo if we switch to Cloudflare R2 | 03:43:24 |
 delroth | 7k/mo and being fine with the ethics of giving money to cloudflare | 05:03:16 |
| Domen Kožar | I don't think we have a lot of choice here | 12:36:05 |
| flokli | Don't think it's wise to move it to another cloud provider, we currently do have some AWS sponsoring, and cold freezing things for some months will give us some more time. | 12:37:22 |
| Domen Kožar | I don't think cold freezing is wise if we can save the full history | 12:38:07 |
| flokli | I guess long-term the idea is to self-host this, be able to easily dedup etc, without keeping every position on the cloud provider pricing list in mind | 12:38:13 |
| Domen Kožar | ehh | 12:38:31 |
| Domen Kožar | you can migrate from cloud providers, but then you need to pay people inside the foundation to manage all this | 12:39:24 |
| Domen Kožar | I don't think this is going to end well | 12:39:33 |
 Julien | 7k/mo is still a load difficult to bear for the fondation, no ? If I understand well currently the excess cost with AWS is 6k/mo ? | 12:39:53 |
| flokli | Well, this channel is about binary cache self-hosting ;-) | 12:40:06 |
| Domen Kožar | 7k/mo I can guarantee I can get sponsorship for | 12:40:10 |
| Domen Kožar | flokli: ok, so where can we discuss the plan then | 12:40:24 |
| Domen Kožar | I'm fine in any channel :) | 12:40:29 |
| flokli | The foundation currently pays 6k a month out of their own pocket and doesn't want to do this long-term, and the AWS sponsorship coving some more costs is time-limited too, because we need to get our costs down. | 12:41:07 |
| flokli | The number of data in the bucket is also growing, it certainly will if we don't want to GC and don't have the wiggle room to dedup | 12:41:46 |
| Domen Kožar | yes, we migrate to R2 and we get 6k/mo of sponsors for the foundation and we have the full history | 12:41:49 |
| flokli | We need more than that. | 12:41:58 |
| Domen Kožar | cache is a common good, we shouldn't just remove stuff if we have a chance of keeping it | 12:42:01 |
| Domen Kožar | it's 500GB of storage no? | 12:42:13 |
| Julien | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
it's 500GB of storage no? Tb | 12:42:28 |
| Domen Kožar | eh 500TB :) | 12:42:35 |
| Julien | It’s going to continue to grow tho | 12:42:48 |
| flokli | We need a more long-term commitment to keep sponsoring this. We need to be certain we can go to cloudflare, and we need to be certain they're ok both with the traffic levels and that staying free | 12:43:01 |
| Domen Kožar | Nix is also growing and companies should pay back to keep it alive | 12:43:04 |
| Domen Kožar | it used to be one company paying for all of this | 12:43:21 |
| flokli | We need to be sure we can have some "cloud functions" too, so we can store things differently and more compact, to make this more sustainable too. | 12:43:31 |
| Domen Kožar | yeah you have cloudflare workers | 12:43:43 |
| flokli | And this is now all being discussed a week after we wanted to start the GC. | 12:43:53 |
