| 6 Mar 2024 |
 Domen Kožar | I'll do my best | 13:06:45 |
 Julien | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
Julien: I've been in many non-profit organizations and one of the hardest things to design for is when people burn out, which happens a lot You mean that as a point not to go for a cache infrastrucutre maintained by community members, right ? | 13:06:46 |
 flokli | And if/once we do have wiggling room to design a nicer system, we could. | 13:06:49 |
| Domen Kožar | In reply to @julienmalka:matrix.org
You mean that as a point not to go for a cache infrastrucutre maintained by community members, right ? yes | 13:07:08 |
| Domen Kožar | when you work in a team of volunteers you have to assume anyone can leave at any time | 13:07:46 |
| Domen Kožar | and when you start paying engineers, 7k/mo is pretty cheap | 13:08:26 |
 patka | I might be out of line here and interfer with this I shouldn't mingle myself with. But people also burn out really fast when a plan is made and agreed upon and then someone comes along and throws a wrench into the plans, with only wishes and good intentions | 13:08:32 |
| Domen Kožar | yeah I understand this | 13:09:30 |
| Julien | I see your point and it's an important one. I think what I'd like us to have is have the data saved somewhere and still accessible. I think we could still have the "current" data (1 year of unstable, 2 releases) in a cloud infrastructure that cost way less, and parallely export the data to another place we manage where there is less availability and that is maintained as best effort policy. | 13:09:43 |
| Julien | * I see your point and it's an important one. I think what I'd like us to have is have the data saved somewhere and still accessible. I think we could still have the "current" data (1 year of unstable, 2 releases) in a cloud infrastructure that cost way less, and parallely export the data to another place we manage where there is less availability assumptions and that is maintained as best effort policy. | 13:10:39 |
| Domen Kožar | patka: I'm financially responsible if foundation runs out of money, so I do have my foot in this | 13:10:59 |
| Domen Kožar | I did not anticipate that AWS will waive all the fees, so the conditions have changed | 13:11:56 |
| Julien | * I see your point and it's an important one. I think what I'd like us to have is have the data saved somewhere and still accessible. I think we could still have the "current" data (1 year of unstable, 2 releases) in a cloud infrastructure that just works but cost way less (because we have less data), and parallely export the data to another place we manage where there is less availability assumptions and that is maintained as best effort policy. | 13:12:11 |
| Julien | Maybe in that case we should also ask AWS to double our sponsorship, if we are willing to go away from them | 13:13:10 |
 delroth | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
this is not time nor place to bring our the morals because we all have our own and it's going to be impossible to find a common ground, that's how morals work convenient | 13:13:41 |
| Domen Kožar | we talked to Cloudflare and they would give us some mass discount | 13:13:49 |
| Domen Kožar | but they never gave us a number | 13:13:57 |
| delroth | if that's going to be the foundation's stance on things, I hope you're ready to accept the consequences that come with it | 13:14:01 |
| Domen Kožar | delroth: is that threatening? | 13:14:27 |
| delroth | absolutely, I can tell you that at least I'm having nothing to do with a foundation that funds cloudflare | 13:14:48 |
| Domen Kožar | sure :) | 13:15:25 |
| Domen Kožar | cachix pays cloudflare, btw | 13:15:48 |
| Domen Kožar | and we would pay to another provider if there was a competitor | 13:16:27 |
| Domen Kožar | * and we would pay to another provider if there was a decent competitor | 13:16:48 |
| Domen Kožar | delroth: I'm sure you have reasons to hate cloudflare, but you have to also understand you can't force that on others | 13:17:22 |
| delroth | yes, and you can't force me to contribute my time to nixos | 13:17:55 |
| Domen Kožar | and that's the beauty of how to world works :) | 13:18:50 |
| Domen Kožar | * and that's the beauty of how the world works :) | 13:18:57 |
| patka | Huh, what is this reasoning? delroth is saying that he doesn't like cloudflare and that they would then leave? You are the one forcing cloudflare on others by making sure we move there Domen Kožar. I hope you can be a bit more considerate than this.
First barge in here and destroys people plans with some "wait, I'll get funding" and then this... | 13:19:31 |
| Domen Kožar | patka: I respect his opinion, but threatening like this is not a way to have any decent discussions | 13:20:35 |
