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 abathur | Matthew Kenigsberg & cole-h: given the events that were unfolding week before last I have not tried to pester the infra team or made other noteworthy progress on open issues--so I'm thinking we can skip this session unless either of you have something specific? | 02:02:24 |
| cole-h | I'm fine with either | 02:03:02 |
 Matthew Kenigsberg | I did https://github.com/NixOS/experimental-nix-installer/pull/15 today - looks like we may need to tweak the actions so I could use input on those | 02:05:43 |
| Matthew Kenigsberg | I also wasn't 100% sure on the tarball stuff | 02:06:24 |
| abathur | ok, sounds like we'll have stuff to look at | 04:00:19 |
| pxc | how nutty would it be to have a Nix installer attempt to get nix-daemon.sh's environment changes handled by an init system/session manager, if available, rather than plugging directly into a shell?
Fish users who are Nix novices (and maybe also Unix novices) have struggled getting their shell to 'nixify' properly forever. I've tried to work on it, and helped get something usable going for NixOS which is now also used in Nix-Darwin. But people still struggle, many years later, and other fun new shells (Elvish, Nushell, PowerShell, Xonsh, idk) face similar problems with Nix's POSIX initialization scripts
I think we could easily have the Nix stuff happen before the user session starts with systemd on Linux and launchd on macOS
| 06:37:25 |
| pxc | * how nutty would it be to have a Nix installer attempt to get nix-daemon.sh's environment changes handled by an init system/session manager, if available, rather than plugging directly into a shell?
Fish users who are Nix novices (and maybe also Unix novices) have struggled getting their shell to 'nixify' properly forever. I've tried to work on it, and helped get something usable going for NixOS which is now also used in Nix-Darwin. But people still struggle, many years later, on foreign Linux and macOS. Other fun new shells (Elvish, Nushell, PowerShell, Xonsh, idk) face similar problems with Nix's POSIX initialization scripts
I think we could easily have the Nix stuff happen before the user session starts with systemd on Linux and launchd on macOS
| 06:38:13 |
| pxc | The experimental new installer is already willing to get creative with this kind of stuff to avoid breakage on macOS, and I think it was a good choice. | 06:39:06 |
| abathur | Have you tried setting this up with launchctl (and on what macOS version?)
It sounds like (thanks to cole-h for finding my own past comments about this :)) we are hemmed in on the global environment point by macOS these days, see for example:
- https://github.com/canonical/multipass/issues/2417#issuecomment-1553437799
- https://github.com/cachix/install-nix-action/issues/183#issuecomment-1595055643
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