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2 May 2023
@abathur:matrix.orgabathurIt was more of an open question about the scope of work we're talking about to "pull" the detsys installer towards nix22:53:11
@abathur:matrix.orgabathurI was the only non-detsys person in attendance, so I framed the work in terms of whether it was something I could do in 15 minutes or whether we'd need substantive fresh work22:54:15
@abathur:matrix.orgabathur Iirc the answer is roughly that, if we were willing to take all of the "opinions" as-is it might not be much work, but that we'll need fresh work to do things like support channels, which the detsys installer doesn't set up 22:56:24
@abathur:matrix.orgabathurI have a mostly full plate atm, but am hoping that it'll be easier to drum up interest in filling these gaps if we have a framework and firm decisions from the nix team on what features stay/go22:59:26
@matthewkenigsberg:matrix.orgMatthew KenigsbergMakes sense! If we have some firm decisions I could probably spend a couple hours working on things most weeks23:27:03
5 May 2023
@keiichi:matrix.orgteto I am trying to run the determinate installer install --no-confirm --extra-conf 'trusted-users = root toto' linux --init none but I get error: unexpected argument '--init' found is the doc outdated ? 14:14:10
@keiichi:matrix.orgtetoI want to test the nix installer in a docker container (or rather our wrapper around it)14:14:49
@keiichi:matrix.orgtetonevermind got it15:06:12
10 May 2023
@graham:grahamc.comgrahamhttps://md.darmstadt.ccc.de/6irdGi_RTHO-4b0lSf80mw13:51:36
@graham:grahamc.comgrahammeeting in about 7m13:53:04
@graham:grahamc.comgraham

completed notes:

Nix Installer WG - 2023-05-10

Last meetings' notes: https://md.darmstadt.ccc.de/KhuRgW6qRSWSZAbNlKWZBQ

  • Determinate Nix Installer Check-in
    • started testing auto-allocate UIDs
      • Passing all the tests, merged but not yet released.
      • we'll add a thing to do phased roll-outs of new versions. Especially for things like this :).
    • 2.15.0 merged, but hasn't been released on our end yet.
      • Targeting friday.
    • Wishing to have a unified to install & use Nix in a container.
  • SSL / network trouble report: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/8250
    • Noticed the successful connections TLSv1.3, and so is the failing one.
    • The cipher seems good, but I'm no expert: AEAD-CHACHA20-POLY1305-SHA256
    • The connection is being aborted right away, no read succeeds.
    • The network does seem unstable, even without Nix installed...
      • they've tried so many times we'd think it'd have worked at least once by now with Nix installed.
    • Some mysterious problems with ISPs? With mobile internet, it seems to work...
      • https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/8250#issuecomment-1529842256
    • Posted some follow-up questions:
      • https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/8250#issuecomment-1542314751
    • ... otherwise out of ideas.
  • Upstreaming :elephant:
    • Logistics
      1. Fork the installer into the NixOS org.
        • https://github.com/NixOS/experimental-nix-installer
      2. Add Travis as a Maintainer on the repo. (done)
      3. Create a project on Hydra that Travis can manage.
        • https://hydra.nixos.org/project/experimental-nix-installer
        • Flakerefs:
          • Linux (MUSL): github:nixos/experimental-nix-installer#nix-installer-static
          • MacOS:github:nixos/experimental-nix-installer#nix-installer
      4. Note in the forked repo that nobody is using it, and it is the wrong place to report issues.
        • all set!
15:01:19
12 May 2023
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13 May 2023
@abathur:matrix.orgabathur

small update on the hydra jobs for the experimental installer

16:30:08
23 May 2023
@k900:0upti.meK900 joined the room.09:32:58
@k900:0upti.meK900Hey, I fiiled https://github.com/DeterminateSystems/nix-installer/issues/474 already but was originally going to post here09:33:24
@ulrikstrid:matrix.orgUlrik Strid joined the room.09:52:59
@hexa:lossy.networkhexawait, steam does special handling of /nix already?10:23:31
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa * wait, steam does special handling of /nix?10:24:34
@zhaofeng:zhaofeng.liZhaofeng LiNot Steam but SteamOS. They just added a bind-mount of /nix since the root is read-only10:25:31
@hexa:lossy.networkhexabasically what I meant 😄10:25:53
@zhaofeng:zhaofeng.liZhaofeng LiPretty surprised that they added this though. Looks like they are somewhat interested in Nix to add such a specific workaround10:27:35
@k900:0upti.meK900There's a lot of people on youtube recommending people use Nix to install stuff on Steam Deck11:43:22
@graham:grahamc.comgrahamoh cool :D11:57:34
24 May 2023
@hoverbear:matrix.orgAnahttps://meet.google.com/dwy-yvjd-zpc14:00:00
@hoverbear:matrix.orgAnaMeeting today14:00:05
@matthewkenigsberg:matrix.orgMatthew Kenigsberg Théophane: could we get some decisions from the Nix team about which features need to be changed to start distributing the experimental installer? The differences are telemetry as well as what's listed here: https://github.com/NixOS/experimental-nix-installer#installation-differences 14:41:51
25 May 2023
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