| 27 Apr 2023 |
 abathur | user claiming to have a post-install connectivity problem responded https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/8250#issuecomment-1525872514 | 16:17:15 |
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| 28 Apr 2023 |
| abathur | grahamAna They updated again with output after installing Nix https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/8250#issuecomment-1526911700 | 13:07:53 |
| 1 May 2023 |
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| raitobezarius | Hello there, I stumbled recently on https://github.com/DeterminateSystems/nix-installer/pull/304 which seems to indicate that the DetSys's Nix installer does not support channels anymore, if I am not wrong, this installer is supposed to become the default for the official Nix installer. Is there a plan to remove channels support by default at installation time in the future?
| 19:30:30 |
| raitobezarius | * Hello there, I stumbled recently on https://github.com/DeterminateSystems/nix-installer/pull/304 which seems to indicate that the DetSys's Nix installer does not support channels anymore, if I am not wrong, this installer is supposed to become the default for the official Nix installer. Is there a plan to remove channels support by default at installation time in the future in the official installer? | 19:31:00 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @graham:grahamc.com
https://md.darmstadt.ccc.de/KhuRgW6qRSWSZAbNlKWZBQ I just read this and it mentions the channel thing | 19:34:33 |
 graham | The Nix Team said they’d be interested in the project using the determinate nix installer as a base to start with upstream. If that happens, probably would require implementing some code to change the determinate nix installer to match what they want | 19:35:58 |
| graham | I’d be surprised if the determinate nix installer was adopted exactly as is, and I don’t this this wg has the authority to choose that stuff | 19:36:50 |
| raitobezarius | Got it, thank you for the clarification! | 19:44:37 |
| graham | Yep! | 19:45:48 |
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| 2 May 2023 |
 @matthewkenigsberg:matrix.org | In reply to @graham:grahamc.com
https://md.darmstadt.ccc.de/KhuRgW6qRSWSZAbNlKWZBQ Sorry I missed last week - reviewed the notes and it mentions abathur might create the fork? I'm happy to pitch in some with maintenance as well | 22:16:16 |
| abathur | It was more of an open question about the scope of work we're talking about to "pull" the detsys installer towards nix | 22:53:11 |
| abathur | I was the only non-detsys person in attendance, so I framed the work in terms of whether it was something I could do in 15 minutes or whether we'd need substantive fresh work | 22:54:15 |
| abathur | Iirc the answer is roughly that, if we were willing to take all of the "opinions" as-is it might not be much work, but that we'll need fresh work to do things like support channels, which the detsys installer doesn't set up | 22:56:24 |
| abathur | I have a mostly full plate atm, but am hoping that it'll be easier to drum up interest in filling these gaps if we have a framework and firm decisions from the nix team on what features stay/go | 22:59:26 |
| @matthewkenigsberg:matrix.org | Makes sense! If we have some firm decisions I could probably spend a couple hours working on things most weeks | 23:27:03 |
| 5 May 2023 |
| teto | I am trying to run the determinate installer install --no-confirm --extra-conf 'trusted-users = root toto' linux --init none but I get error: unexpected argument '--init' found is the doc outdated ? | 14:14:10 |
| teto | I want to test the nix installer in a docker container (or rather our wrapper around it) | 14:14:49 |
| teto | nevermind got it | 15:06:12 |
| 10 May 2023 |
| graham | https://md.darmstadt.ccc.de/6irdGi_RTHO-4b0lSf80mw | 13:51:36 |
| graham | meeting in about 7m | 13:53:04 |
| graham | completed notes:
Nix Installer WG - 2023-05-10
Last meetings' notes: https://md.darmstadt.ccc.de/KhuRgW6qRSWSZAbNlKWZBQ
- Determinate Nix Installer Check-in
- started testing auto-allocate UIDs
- Passing all the tests, merged but not yet released.
- we'll add a thing to do phased roll-outs of new versions. Especially for things like this :).
- 2.15.0 merged, but hasn't been released on our end yet.
- Wishing to have a unified to install & use Nix in a container.
- SSL / network trouble report: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/8250
- Noticed the successful connections TLSv1.3, and so is the failing one.
- The cipher seems good, but I'm no expert: AEAD-CHACHA20-POLY1305-SHA256
- The connection is being aborted right away, no read succeeds.
- The network does seem unstable, even without Nix installed...
- they've tried so many times we'd think it'd have worked at least once by now with Nix installed.
- Some mysterious problems with ISPs? With mobile internet, it seems to work...
- https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/8250#issuecomment-1529842256
- Posted some follow-up questions:
- https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/8250#issuecomment-1542314751
- ... otherwise out of ideas.
- Upstreaming :elephant:
- Logistics
- Fork the installer into the NixOS org.
- https://github.com/NixOS/experimental-nix-installer
- Add Travis as a Maintainer on the repo. (done)
- Create a project on Hydra that Travis can manage.
- https://hydra.nixos.org/project/experimental-nix-installer
- Flakerefs:
- Linux (MUSL):
github:nixos/experimental-nix-installer#nix-installer-static
- MacOS:
github:nixos/experimental-nix-installer#nix-installer
- Note in the forked repo that nobody is using it, and it is the wrong place to report issues.
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| 12 May 2023 |
|  @federicodschonborn:matrix.org changed their profile picture. | 00:58:18 |
| @federicodschonborn:matrix.org changed their profile picture. | 19:34:06 |
| @federicodschonborn:matrix.org changed their display name from Federico Schonborn to Federico Damián Schonborn. | 19:34:53 |
| 13 May 2023 |
| abathur | small update on the hydra jobs for the experimental installer
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