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28 Sep 2022
@abathur:matrix.orgabathur🤿14:51:09
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@rapenne-s:tchncs.deSolène Rapenne (she/her) Once the notes are ready, we could publish them in https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nix-installer-workgroup/21495/13 15:11:22
@chris:mkaito.net@chris:mkaito.netA Discourse label would probably be appropriate if we are going to publish things there and expect further discussion.15:17:06
@rapenne-s:tchncs.deSolène Rapenne (she/her)like a sub label of Development?15:19:43
@abathur:matrix.orgabathurheh https://github.blog/changelog/2022-09-28-github-actions-self-hosted-runners-now-support-windows-arm-hardware15:22:59
@grahamc:nixos.org@grahamc:nixos.orghuh!16:11:11
@grahamc:nixos.org@grahamc:nixos.orgI just posted the notes16:14:01
@rapenne-s:tchncs.deSolène Rapenne (she/her) grahamc (he/him) thanks! could you please lock the hackmd? Anyone can edit it, it's not ideal now the meeting is over 16:16:18
@grahamc:nixos.org@grahamc:nixos.orgI can't, but I can duplicate it elsewhere16:16:28
@rapenne-s:tchncs.deSolène Rapenne (she/her)or you can post it in the discourse poste16:16:46
@rapenne-s:tchncs.deSolène Rapenne (she/her)* or you can post it in the discourse post16:16:47
@rapenne-s:tchncs.deSolène Rapenne (she/her)they use the same syntax16:16:54
@grahamc:nixos.org@grahamc:nixos.orgjust posted it to a gist too16:17:22
@grahamc:nixos.org@grahamc:nixos.orgthanks for that, good shout 16:17:37
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@rapenne-s:tchncs.deSolène Rapenne (she/her)

I didn't share these ideas in the meeting because I think it's not worth anything, but here they are: I wondered if it could be possible to ship nix on linux using appimage / flatpak or docker In some situations, this may be practical, but if we already have statically compiled nix binaries, not sure it's providing anything more.

The big issues are the nix-daemon and its builder users, right? And appimage / flatpak are Linux specific, so not very helpful with regard to nix being available everywhere.

And I don't know if running nix in a docker environment could be helpful.

17:09:57
@qyliss:fairydust.spaceAlyssa RossI think Nix in docker would definitely be useful, because people expect to be able to try things out in sandboxes17:10:45
@rapenne-s:tchncs.deSolène Rapenne (she/her)there is already a nix docker image, but it's not made to integrates with the host system nix commands17:11:18
@qyliss:fairydust.spaceAlyssa RossAppImage wouldn't really add anything over a static binary, since it's just a way of embedding more stuff into a static binary17:11:27
@qyliss:fairydust.spaceAlyssa RossAh, well then not sure you can really add anything useful to that. I doubt anybody wants to run Nix in docker but with a host Nix daemon.17:11:54
@rapenne-s:tchncs.deSolène Rapenne (she/her)the idea would be to run the nix daemon IN the docker :)17:12:13
@qyliss:fairydust.spaceAlyssa Rossohh17:12:28
@rapenne-s:tchncs.deSolène Rapenne (she/her)and have environment variables to make use of this nix daemon when you use your nix tools on your system like nix-shell17:12:29
@qyliss:fairydust.spaceAlyssa Ross I doubt there'd be much advantage to Flatpak? It's mostly used for GUI applications. The only thing I can see it adding over a static binary is that it manages updates, but then so does Docker. 17:12:52
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