| 12 Sep 2023 |
 @vid:matrix.org | I had to keep going so I created an ubuntu vm, but it's … not ideal | 12:16:12 |
 Lily Foster | Yeah the best we have for running arbitrary prebuilt files on nixos without modification is (the incredibly hacky) nix-ld + envfs + something like nix-alien or (the slightly less incredibly hacky) steam-run. If the latter broke though you could open a nixpkgs issue to get it fixed | 12:26:16 |
| Lily Foster | Or you could just run it in a container and use podman in your personal build commands | 12:26:41 |
| Lily Foster | Or nixify the project 😈 | 12:26:53 |
| @vid:matrix.org | I thought about using containers that but I want to be focused on general DX. already have people on mac &c using it. I mean I know why you're saying it but nixos is basically the odd one out here, creating the problem, even if it's ultimately a better way | 12:28:21 |
| @vid:matrix.org | * I thought about using containers but I want to be focused on general DX. already have people on mac &c using it. I mean I know why you're saying it but nixos is basically the odd one out here, creating the problem, even if it's ultimately a better way | 12:29:01 |
| Lily Foster | Feel free to work on or look for more/better nixos solutions here, I'm just saying I don't know anything better while still using nixos | 12:29:40 |
| Lily Foster | You could use direnv or something too to set up the environment automatically on your system without having to change it system-wide or change upstream stuff | 12:30:34 |
| Lily Foster | (Fwiw I do use nix-ld, envfs, nix-alien, and direnv all to some degree specifically for dealing with devving on random repos occasionally. I often find myself just writing a quick shell.nix for a repo that handles env setup and satisfying the project's expectations, and that combo usually works for me. I don't use playwright though so obviously ymmv) | 12:31:57 |
| @vid:matrix.org | yes I appreciate that. my experience getting a lot of things working on nixos was fantastic, I was raving about it to colleagues, but this is a lot. I want haibun to be easily consumable on any platform, which is already a lot of work. no idea what adaptation would look like on cloud. this is a typical developer pov, that's all I can say. | 12:33:14 |
| Lily Foster | (I take that back. It doesn't work for the systemd test suite so I do keep a fedora vm around for that) | 12:33:28 |
| Lily Foster | In reply to @vid:matrix.org
yes I appreciate that. my experience getting a lot of things working on nixos was fantastic, I was raving about it to colleagues, but this is a lot. I want haibun to be easily consumable on any platform, which is already a lot of work. no idea what adaptation would look like on cloud. this is a typical developer pov, that's all I can say. Yeah your pov is appreciated! I just wish I had better answers | 12:33:54 |
| Lily Foster | In reply to @lily:lily.flowers
(I take that back. It doesn't work for the systemd test suite so I do keep a fedora vm around for that) (Systemd test suite has pretty deep system and kernel expectations that must be met. Someone was working on a NixOS test framework setup that runs it though) | 12:34:35 |
| Lily Foster | In reply to @lily:lily.flowers
Yeah your pov is appreciated! I just wish I had better answers (If you do find something that helps developer DX for this, do send it over to awesome-nix to make it more discoverable for people too!) | 12:38:28 |
| Lily Foster | * (If you do find something that helps developer experience for this, do send it over to awesome-nix to make it more discoverable for people too!) | 12:38:45 |
| @vid:matrix.org | I would love to, but have to put it aside right now. nixos is a means to an end for me, not the end. | 12:38:59 |
| Lily Foster | (Also I was kinda suggesting asking in a more general channel because people a lot smarter than me are more likely to give you better answers there 😅) | 12:42:31 |
| @vid:matrix.org | maybe when I have more time. I'm very happy with nixos otherwise. and since I use workspaces with hotkeys, having to use a vm is not the end of the world. | 12:46:57 |
| @vid:matrix.org | * maybe when I have more time. I'm very happy with nixos otherwise. and since I use workspaces with hotkeys and x-forwarding, having to use a vm is not the end of the world. | 12:49:12 |
| @vid:matrix.org | * maybe when I have more time. I'm very happy with nixos otherwise. and since I use workspaces with hotkeys and x-forwarding, having to use a vm is not the end of the world. it is a pretty convoluted setup, though. | 12:50:29 |
| @vid:matrix.org | * maybe when I have more time. I'm very happy with nixos otherwise. and since I use workspaces with hotkeys and x-forwarding, having to use a vm is not the end of the world. it is a pretty convoluted setup, though. but that will only get worse if I start tailouring the repo to the OS. | 12:51:56 |
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| @vid:matrix.org | Redacted or Malformed Event | 14:28:47 |
| @vid:matrix.org | * what's happening here?
changed 33 packages in 1s
vid@kkvm /mnt/space/home/vid/D$ nodemon
nodemon: command not found
vid@kkvm /mnt/space/home/vid/D$ node -v
v18.17.1
vid@kkvm /mnt/space/home/vid/D$ which node```
/run/current-system/sw/bin/node
| 14:28:53 |
| @vid:matrix.org | something I should know here?
vid@kkvm /mnt/space/home/vid/D$ npm i -g nodemon
changed 33 packages in 1s
vid@kkvm /mnt/space/home/vid/D$ nodemon
nodemon: command not found
vid@kkvm /mnt/space/home/vid/D$ node -v
v18.17.1
vid@kkvm /mnt/space/home/vid/D$ which node
/run/current-system/sw/bin/node
| 14:30:03 |
| @vid:matrix.org | oic, also "no the nixos way" | 14:31:48 |
| @vid:matrix.org | * oic, also "not the nixos way" | 14:33:14 |
| 13 Sep 2023 |
|  mkg20001 joined the room. | 09:18:14 |
| 15 Sep 2023 |
| @vid:matrix.org | I think I found a good solution, distrobox. I used the unstable channel, separate home directory, hard coded my PATH (even though latest distrobox is not supposed to include host binaries). don't want to push my luck so knock wood, but I've been able to use it like a distinct environment, including x11 forwarding to the host, which is the dream | 12:51:07 |
| @vid:matrix.org | iow I'm living the dream | 12:51:27 |
