| 16 Nov 2024 |
 hexa | of course | 09:12:45 |
 vcunat | (or at least some other form of influence) | 09:12:48 |
| 17 Nov 2024 |
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| 18 Nov 2024 |
|  @yannis:mozilla.org changed their display name from yannis to yannis|pto_back_nov_26. | 10:40:03 |
 nbp | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
I love how "build a fucking browser" isn't even an option I will note that the foundation never built any browser, only the corporation.
On the other hand I will echo some recent articles titles: “Mozilla Foundation lays off 30% staff, drops advocacy division” | 10:53:07 |
 K900 | In reply to @nbp:mozilla.org
I will note that the foundation never built any browser, only the corporation.
On the other hand I will echo some recent articles titles: “Mozilla Foundation lays off 30% staff, drops advocacy division” The foundation does own the corporation though, no? | 10:53:43 |
| vcunat | Either way, I get that it's easy for people to conflate their activities, as it's all "Mozilla". | 10:54:47 |
 emily | I think the corporation is maybe meant to be operationally independent or something? | 10:54:49 |
| emily | I don't know, it's confusing. | 10:54:57 |
| nbp | Yes, the foundation own the corporation, but it only decide of the top-level directions, as being part of the board, but not on the product features for example. | 10:57:14 |
| emily | is the corporation or the foundation the one that Google pays? | 10:58:40 |
| nbp | What this survey highlight to me is: “please validate our confirmation biais, please select the A and I options.” | 10:58:43 |
| emily | I suppose the former? | 10:58:46 |
| nbp | Google pays the Corporation, for making room in the browser UI and redirecting people to them. | 10:59:27 |
| nbp | The Foundation uses donation to take away money from the corporation. They cannot withdraw more money from the corporation than they received as donation IIRC. | 11:00:20 |
| nbp | This might be outdated info, and deformed over time, but I recall hearing something along these lines in 2012. | 11:01:55 |
| emily | I sympathize with "it would be nice if they just made a browser" but also it's not clear to me that they have any viable path to sustainable finances if Google ever stops caring so I guess they're doomed to flail for any opportunity. | 11:03:00 |
| K900 | The whole for-profit owned by a non-profit setup makes no sense to me | 11:03:05 |
| K900 | It's so US brained | 11:03:17 |
| vcunat | You mean it should be the other way around? | 11:04:12 |
| K900 | I mean it shouldn't exist, I think | 11:08:12 |
| nbp | for what is worth, lawyers were not happy about creating it in the first place, as this is an unusual setup.
However, a foundation can own some properties, for example a Zoo can own the land on which it is based. And this is roughly how a foundation can own a corporation.
On the other hand, the fact that the foundation cannot withdraw as much money from the corporation as it desire is completely broken … | 11:10:57 |
| nbp | * for what is worth, lawyers were not happy about creating it in the first place, as this is was an unusual setup.
However, a foundation can own some properties, for example a Zoo can own the land on which it is based. And this is roughly how a foundation can own a corporation.
On the other hand, the fact that the foundation cannot withdraw as much money from the corporation as it desire is completely broken … | 11:11:14 |
| emily | what was the motivation to create the corporation? | 11:23:58 |
| emily | to be able to get money from Google, or? | 11:24:02 |
| nbp | Exactly. | 11:24:41 |
| nbp | Google were good guys way before they decided to work for the US military. | 11:26:08 |
| emily | Google guys brainstorming in an office like what if we bait them into a crazy corporate structure where the Foundation can't access the money 😂 | 11:28:51 |
|  gabriel changed their display name from gabriel|pto to gabriel. | 13:34:36 |
| hexa | nix builds tend to freeze my firefox | 17:29:06 |
