| 28 Feb 2025 |
 hexa | yeah, I tried that gdocs yesterday 😄 | 03:31:08 |
| hexa | what the community now needs is a proper rationale | 03:31:33 |
 emily | my guess is still just "the lawyers won the argument about tightening up the wording and covering their ass", but it'll be interesting to see | 03:43:24 |
| emily | seems like Mozilla are flailing around even more lately | 03:44:00 |
| hexa | so two things worry me currently | 03:44:11 |
| hexa |
- they bought an advertisement company (https://www.anonymco.com/)
| 03:44:34 |
| hexa |
- funding is likely an issue, given the google monopoly lawsuit
| 03:45:04 |
| hexa | and mozilla has been in the browser market for 20 years | 03:47:42 |
| hexa | so its funny that so much is happening at once 😄 | 03:47:55 |
| hexa | also … leadership changes again | 03:48:07 |
| emily | I kinda figured they don't see Firefox as that much of a potential revenue source given its ~0 market share. hence all the flailing sround | 03:48:09 |
| emily | but I guess it's enough of one for Google historically | 03:48:18 |
| emily | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
also … leadership changes again for the worse, it seemed to me from skimming that announcement | 03:48:45 |
| emily | since it doubled down on the "who even cares about Firefox anyway" messaging | 03:49:01 |
| hexa | yup | 03:49:19 |
| hexa | 
Download image.png | 05:20:01 |
| hexa | 
Download image.png | 05:20:27 |
| hexa | yeah, ok … the picture is getting clearer | 05:20:36 |
 vcunat | Newer thunderbird-latest(-unwrapped) didn't seem to work well, so it remains rotting. https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/382444#issuecomment-2661364204 | 06:42:02 |
| vcunat | Fortunately we have ESR, though -latest is planned to become officially recommended soon. | 06:42:39 |
| vcunat | (136, was it?) | 06:42:48 |
| vcunat | * (since 136, was it?) | 06:42:51 |
| hexa | yeah, the esr-bin was lagging behind as well sadly | 06:42:54 |
| hexa | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/384250 | 06:43:05 |
| vcunat | Right, I'm not watching -bin. | 06:43:36 |
 @aloisw:julia0815.de | In reply to @vcunat:matrix.org
Newer thunderbird-latest(-unwrapped) didn't seem to work well, so it remains rotting. https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/382444#issuecomment-2661364204 Should we guide users towards ESR with a warning then (assuming the profile is compatible with downgrades)? | 07:05:38 |
| vcunat | ESR is the default thunderbird. | 07:05:59 |
| vcunat | But maybe we could mark -latest as insecure. | 07:06:38 |
| vcunat | I'm testing everything with a single profile, so downgrades should be OK. | 07:06:59 |
| @aloisw:julia0815.de | In reply to @vcunat:matrix.org
ESR is the default thunderbird. Some people have -latest in their config and may not be aware that it is randomly 2 months out of date. | 07:12:17 |
