| 3 Jun 2025 |
 magic_rb | No im running it from the hallway to my room and living room | 14:10:21 |
 emily | right :P | 14:10:33 |
| magic_rb | So just two fiber runs, not more than 30 meters | 14:10:35 |
| emily | have you considered just buying DACs/AOCs? | 14:10:50 |
| emily | passive DACs go up to ~7 m, active to ~15 m, AOC like 100 m or something. | 14:11:08 |
| emily | they come with the transceivers on both ends, it's plug and play. | 14:11:14 |
| emily | if you're only running a couple of cables and you're not limited by tiny conduits in the walls or whatever it's probably the simplest thing. | 14:11:30 |
| magic_rb | Ooh i have but that doesnt sound as fun | 14:11:35 |
| emily | and the lowest power. | 14:11:42 |
| magic_rb | Hm, is there a reason to pick what im thinking over AOC? | 14:12:09 |
| magic_rb | (12m isnt enough) | 14:12:17 |
| emily | again I knew nothing about this a month or two ago, but: | 14:12:29 |
| emily | AOCs are limited to the transceivers you get on each end, if you wanted to upgrade beyond 10 Gbit/s then you'd need to buy new ones. if you lay single mode fibre instead you can run terabit over the run years down the line | 14:12:57 |
| emily | but the cost of fibre + transceivers would probably exceed the AOC in the immediate term I think (not sure, might depend on what crap you can get cheap off AliExpress) | 14:13:17 |
| magic_rb | Aha, well i dont own the new place so i probably wont be there in 10 years | 14:13:42 |
| emily | also transceivers are bulkier than fibre so if you were feeding the cables through tiny wall spaces or whatever then I can imagine AOCs being less convenient? | 14:13:44 |
| magic_rb | Im not feeding | 14:13:54 |
| magic_rb | Ill have to run it along the walls in small conduits or smth | 14:14:04 |
| magic_rb | There is no way to feed anything im pretty sure | 14:14:12 |
| emily | right | 14:14:22 |
| magic_rb | There are some coax ports but i doubt i can just pull those out | 14:14:24 |
| emily | well, in that case you need to be able to deal with the fact that the transceiver doesn't attach while you're running it of course, but I imagine that won't be an issue in that context | 14:14:53 |
| emily | my guess is that AOC is easier/cheaper for what you want? | 14:15:02 |
| emily | I'm sort of planning to pull single mode fibre through the disused daisy-chain telephone wiring in this place so I can have fibre drops in every room, but that's wholly irrational of me, it just sounds like fun. | 14:15:36 |
| magic_rb | Yeah ill be doong this in september so ill actually check id i can pull the coax out and install fibre instead | 14:16:54 |
| magic_rb | There seems to be also some telephone lines somewhere, there is a telephone patch panel in the router closet | 14:17:13 |
| magic_rb | With 5 wires so it must go somewhere | 14:17:20 |
| emily | looks like I can get a 25 m AOC for £26.59 on Amazon; the equivalent run of duplex OS2 fibre on FS.com is $16 and you can get a pair of transceivers on AliExpress for like $17 | 14:18:10 |
| emily | so basically the same cost | 14:18:18 |
| emily | I'm guessing you can get cheaper AOCs on AliExpress too though | 14:18:33 |
