| 19 Sep 2025 |
 emily | it is unfortunate when we have to turn off a lot of tests though | 20:58:12 |
| emily | reliability of the end product, that is | 20:58:27 |
| emily | FWIW, doing like Hydra does and giving things few cores and scaling up jobs instead helps for a lot of flakiness. (not saying we shouldhave to do this) | 20:58:50 |
| emily | one option is turning off tests for minimal versions but not full versions | 20:59:15 |
| emily | e.g. we do that for LLVM in the Darwin bootstrap, the earlier stages do not run tests | 20:59:25 |
 Philip Taron (UTC-8) | Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to point at with "making bootstrap easier". | 20:59:49 |
| Philip Taron (UTC-8) | I completely agree. A test suite which produces false positives, even if it produces no false negatives, really impedes understanding what the reliability of the software is. | 21:01:50 |
| emily | stdenv builds fine for me on Darwin with https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/442167 | 23:35:16 |
| emily | so I guess it's about as ready to go as it'll ever be | 23:35:20 |
| emily | (I guess the Perl build failure report was not reproducible) | 23:40:57 |
| 20 Sep 2025 |
| Philip Taron (UTC-8) | I did review the thing commit-by-commit and I think I buy it all. | 00:00:25 |
| Philip Taron (UTC-8) | Let's send it. | 00:00:28 |
 hexa | uhhh | 00:00:37 |
| hexa | on master right now | 00:00:40 |
| hexa | and building into beets or home-assistant | 00:00:46 |
| emily | thanks. well, it's at least better-tested than current staging | 00:01:14 |
| hexa | gets me too many rebuilds | 00:01:17 |
| emily | (since nobody has been testing CMake 4 without the hook changes) | 00:01:20 |
| emily | so probably de-risks to send it 😅 | 00:01:31 |
| hexa | of things like maturin, mercurial, uv | 00:01:31 |
| hexa | graphviz | 00:01:39 |
| hexa | did I miss anything? | 00:01:44 |
| emily | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/443039 | 00:02:35 |
| emily | maybe you can post a comment with some question marks and exclamation points | 00:02:52 |
| hexa | i'm also building ruby | 00:03:06 |
| hexa | and rav1e | 00:03:18 |
| hexa | I should just go to sleep | 00:03:32 |
 Winter | wtf is this | 00:03:38 |
| emily | just what I could find merged with 501+ builds to master recentlyt | 00:03:49 |
| Winter | amazing | 00:04:12 |
