| 3 Nov 2025 |
 Wolfgang Walther | Emily had those ideas and I just kept nodding. | 12:25:38 |
 K900 | But nothing implemented yet and honestly I am not super convinced it's the way to go because it's going to really confuse folks who are not familiar with staging and I'm getting carried away | 12:25:43 |
| K900 | Anyway all merged now and the automated trains can resume running cleanly, thanks for the help | 12:26:15 |
 ivy | how long does a staging cycle normally take? | 12:27:05 |
| K900 | Depends on how broken things are | 12:27:29 |
| K900 | And how much work ends up being scrapped due to some underlying changes being broken | 12:27:44 |
| K900 | Usually a week or so for a full world rebuild where nothing goes horribly wrong | 12:28:00 |
| K900 | Maybe a bit more these days since we build more things and also don't have quite as much capacity | 12:28:38 |
 Grimmauld (any/all) | did you say coreutils rebuild because less is broken? | 12:34:24 |
| K900 | I think the worst one we've had was a GCC rebuild like a week into a cycle? | 12:34:51 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/457547
Like, we'll need to decide this soon... | 12:35:26 |
| K900 | Oh lord | 12:36:24 |
| K900 | I have not even seen this | 12:36:29 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | what, you thought i was joking? | 12:37:06 |
| K900 | I thought this was a thing from some previous cycle | 12:37:18 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | no, i was serious, and tbh i am at a loss about what to do | 12:37:23 |
| K900 | I'm tempted to send it | 12:37:44 |
| K900 | @emily @Alyssa Ross thoughts? | 12:37:50 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | i am thinking we can't leave a broken coreutils as-is, if you want to send it then you have my support (though i'd approve a revert too) | 12:38:29 |
 Alyssa Ross | Seems bad. I guess a day or so of builds isn't that much. | 12:44:23 |
| ivy | no way broken coreutils is worth | 12:44:36 |
| ivy | i mean no way it’s worth leaving it broken | 12:44:49 |
| ivy | it shouldn’t be | 12:44:56 |
| ivy | like i bet it’ll cause downstream build instability without patching it | 12:45:28 |
| K900 | Yeah I'm mostly thinking patch or revert | 12:46:17 |
| Alyssa Ross | patch IMO | 12:46:32 |
| Alyssa Ross | don't see any reason we'd revert | 12:46:36 |
| Alyssa Ross | doesn't seem indicative of there being a higher than usual liklihood of more bugs | 12:46:57 |
| K900 | Then fuck it | 12:47:02 |
| K900 | I'm sending it | 12:47:06 |
