| 25 Oct 2025 |
 Vladimír Čunát | openssh isn't a terribly huge rebuild. | 07:05:29 |
| Vladimír Čunát |
Rebuild: linux 2264, darwin 982
| 07:06:08 |
 ivy | when is the next staging to next | 08:16:05 |
| Vladimír Čunát | In about a week I'd expect to start a new staging-next. | 08:16:58 |
 aloisw | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
It's fixed in openssh master already 10.2 has the fix already, and can be grafted. | 13:56:36 |
 emily | there's not a strict schedule, we generally rotate between stable and unstable (and oldstable for the painful couple of months where we support that) with maybe a day or two between them to let Hydra catch up on the release channels | 14:01:53 |
| emily | and it takes something like 10 days to build the average unstable cycle but it's usually lengthened by fixing important regressions etc. | 14:02:16 |
| emily | a rough metric is that something merged into staging should generally reach master within 2–4 weeks depending on the timing and how cycles go | 14:03:15 |
| 26 Oct 2025 |
|  winston joined the room. | 21:08:37 |
| 27 Oct 2025 |
 dotlambda | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/456020 fixes eval on staging | 05:45:31 |
 Yureka (she/her) | So, vcunat said it's not a huge rebuild. I consider this a pretty severe issue, at least for me it stops me from updating my laptop. I wanted to confirm that 10.2 actually fixed it but wasn't able to do all the rebuilds locally.
TLDR Can we just pick openssh 10.2 on master? | 10:16:38 |
| Yureka (she/her) | libreoffice and electron were the rebuilds I couldn't easily do myself | 10:17:07 |
| Yureka (she/her) | because OOM | 10:17:15 |
 K900 | We might want to just graft it then | 10:17:22 |
| Yureka (she/her) | we have never actually shipped a default-enabled graft, no? | 10:17:58 |
| K900 | I don't mean literally system.replaceRuntimeDependencies graft | 10:18:11 |
| Yureka (she/her) | what do you mean then? :D | 10:18:22 |
| K900 | I mean services.ssh.package = openssh_10_p2 | 10:18:40 |
| Yureka (she/her) | that would help me | 10:18:50 |
| K900 | And probably also wherever it's added to default systemPackages | 10:19:06 |
| K900 | brb need to kick the router | 10:19:22 |
| Yureka (she/her) | might still cause weird defects in other cases when ssh with multiplexing is used (like autossh) | 10:19:37 |
| aloisw | I have a local (replaceDependencies) graft and it does fix the issue. If the infra team is fine with the rebuilds it could be picked. | 17:08:17 |
| Vladimír Čunát | To me it's just speeding up some changes in exchange for delaying other changes. | 17:15:58 |
| aloisw | So openssh_10_2 and let the users decide themselves? Or leave it unfixed until next staging-next merge? | 17:17:10 |
| emily | it's 2k rebuilds? just land the bump IMO | 17:20:26 |
| aloisw | Well about 2k per Linux, plus about 1k per Darwin. | 17:21:06 |
| emily | fair enough | 17:21:27 |
| emily | maybe it can go to staging-nixos | 17:21:40 |
| emily | since a lot of the rebuilds will be NixOS tests using OpenSSH | 17:21:51 |
