| 28 Oct 2025 |
 Vladimír Čunát | It often happens that Hydra stalls for several minutes because of such huge write transaction just happening. | 17:37:14 |
 K900 | There definitely is | 17:39:53 |
| K900 | Hydra is just an ancient Perl monstrosity | 17:40:00 |
 hexa | lol, I remember getting yelled at for nuking old aliases a while ago | 17:40:36 |
| hexa | the tl;dr is … just do it quietly? | 17:40:56 |
| hexa | or wait until we have a nixpkgs core team that can make that call? | 17:41:25 |
| Vladimír Čunát | runCommandNoCC will surely have some usage outside nixpkgs, too. | 17:41:50 |
| hexa | it was about e.g. pkgconfig = pkg-config back then | 17:42:07 |
 emily | it wasn't very quiet IMO… it's only ones that were already in 25.05 | 17:45:19 |
| emily | there was discussion about whether to go through a warning cycle for the ones without them or throw immediately | 17:45:41 |
| emily | we could still backtrack and attach warnings to those ones | 17:45:56 |
 @wolfgangwalther:matrix.org | Yeah, I'd say we could do that on a case-by-case basis, if there is reason for a specific case. | 17:46:27 |
| @wolfgangwalther:matrix.org | Was the argument that this should actually persist forever? If so, we'll just need to mark the alias as such instead. | 17:46:53 |
| emily | in practice unstable changes in ways that produce throws all the time I think, in this case it's at least a way that you can handle downstream without breaking compat with any supported release | 17:46:55 |
| emily | which AIUI has been the sticking point historically | 17:47:01 |
